From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #447 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 30 July 2001 Vol 08 : Num 447 In this issue: the_dojang: Missing Technique? the_dojang: Re: Mat stuff the_dojang: Looking for Sensei... the_dojang: Pain the_dojang: RE: Pregnant training the_dojang: Knuckle push ups are bad? the_dojang: Dat Sine Wave Thang. the_dojang: Registration form the_dojang: Breathing Exercises Re: the_dojang: Registration form the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1222 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:23:02 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Missing Technique? When I studied TangSooDo (US TSK MDK) we utilized 'pakeso-ahnero mahki' (please excuse the spelling), or an Outside-Inside block (closed fist)... After years in the ATA, I realize that Songahm TDK does NOT use that technique! Granted, we do have things like an upset knife-hand strike, which follows much of the same mechanics, but the Outside to Inside block with closed fist seems missing! Inside-Outside block (ahneso-pakero mahki), or 'inner forearm block' IS part of the ATA. So, this begs the question: is this a common technique or just unique to TSD? Thanks. In the arts, Mark. mark.lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:01:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mat stuff Dear Hal: "...And what do you think about the quality and are they kicking friendly..." This is just my experience with my Tiffin Mats but I have nor found a convenient trade-off between the nature and quality of the mat and being kick friendly. At the college where I teach, we use a mat-room which includes a sprung floor and a very nice canvas-covered mat of dense foam not unlike the folding Tiffin Mats I use over at the Park District program. Comfie as the college mat is for breakfalls (it was originally installed by the Aikido folks) its a bit annoying (too spongy)for serious kick training, and its not all that thick (approx 1 & 3/8"). On the other hand the floor at the Park district program is also used as a dance studio and likwise has a sprung floor with a PERGO floor covering which suggests a hardwood surface. We use the cleared surface for practicing concussive techniques and then assemble the necessary mat area by unfolding and connecting the Tiffin Mats using their VELCRO strips. I am sure that the falls are certainly a bit "firm' but no worse than what we practiced on at the Internationale at Jackson and quite possibly a bit better because of the sprung floor underneath. BTW: FWIW: I also practice at a school in Aurora, Ill which has a great mat for breakfalls and that one is over a concrete floor rather than a sprung floor. Once again, the stablity during kicking defers to the need for safe breakfalls during class. I mention this b/c I think the crucial decision will lie with the mat itself rather than the underlayment, and that the trade-off will always be thickness for comfort and safety vs firmness for kick stability. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Mary Braud Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:35:44 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Looking for Sensei... Hi! I am on a personal quest, and I am hoping that some of the DD members in the Calumet City/East Chicago (IL, IN) area can help me here. I am looking for a Sensei that used to own a dojang in the area, oh, only about 20 years ago... (no, I'm not joking!) :-) He was my father's Sensei, and I cannot remember his name. All I have are some pictures. So here goes... he is a large man, 6 + feet tall, caucasian, considerable girth...body type was that of a tall Sammo Hung. I believe he taught Shotokan. All I know is that he was addressed as Sensei. I realize that this is a shot in the dark, but I was always taught to use all my resources, so please forgive me if this is offensive in any way. If you like, you may reply to me offline at mbraud@fedex.com. Thank you very much! Pax, Mary ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:24:08 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Pain Bruce writes: > What worse is that there are always individuals whose romantic view of MA > will include un-necessary pain and abuse under the label of > “character-building.” I think our students deserve better than that. Hello Bruce: Mice finally putting a face on the name. I enjoyed our meeting/workshop, and I thank you very much for your generosity. It was much appreciated, and I will spend many hours reading your works. To get to your statement. I know some folks carry the pain thing to a point where a students is (sometimes permanently) injured. It takes a skilled craftsman to "relay" information on the results of a particular technique without causing such damage, and IMHO, that is where many problems occur. On the other hand, a dangerous technique, in the hands of a novice who is just learning it, is by definition a scary situation. I deal with this problem in several ways. First, I show "what looks like" the technique, so the student can get used to the various motions required to perform it. Second, I personally go around, and perform the technique in a manner that shows just how much it can hurt. Some see this as MY way to impress a student with my skill. The truth is far from this, it is simply my way to make the novice understand that this is a technique that has the potential of seriously hurting their friends should they decide to go home and practice on them. IMHO, there is nothing worse than showing someone the mechanics of a technique without showing the the responsibilities that one MUST have while performing it. I guess I look at it as giving a loaded weapon to someone without making absolutely sure they KNOW it is loaded. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: Gregory Giddins Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:40:25 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Pregnant training Howdy, Yep, Sabom Richards is absolutely correct in that you should talk to a qualified professional first. Sounds like a no-brainer, but please tell your provider what you intend. But there are a few warnings I can give, my wife is in her 35th week (5 more!!!!!) and she just stopped coming to class friday, because she has opted to go swimming instead of class because her activities were getting too limited, and she was getting too little actual exercise, and geting frustated watching everyone else really 'going at it' while she took it easy. Anyway, one major warning (that was kind of a surprise to me) is that stretching should be limited, as the joints start to 'loosen up' after a handful of weeks in preparation for childbirth, and it becomes VERY easy to pull/strain/overstretch etc. So stretching for flexibility should probably be eliminated. Don't stretch past normal range of motion. Another big factor is a pregnant womans ability to heal after an over-stretching injury is almost 0%, so if an injury occurs it is likely that injury will last the duration of the pregnancy (yikes). One more thing to watch out for is raising the core body temp. too high. The mother can sweat, but the baby has no way of releasing heat in the womb, they just sort of bake in there. So keep the temp. reasonable, and stay hydrated (dehydration accounts for a large amount of premature labor). Anyway, yeah, no sparring, no high kicking, no ballistic anything, holding hand targets only, be really careful about falls(!!!!), stay hydrated, and stay cool. If you use your head, and get a little education, she can practice all the way through pregnancy, my wife made it to 8 months. Either way, I wish you the best. Congratulations. p.s. If your school stresses proper breathing during techniques, and any sort of calming breating (meditation, etc.) before or after class, you will probably find 'childbirth class' style breathing [lamaze, etc.] very rudimentary, maybe even ridiculously so, not to mention their 'stretching for a healthy pregnancy'. LOL. A prepared martial artist has an incredible head start on the average pregnant woman with regards to body awareness, pain tolerance, proper breathing, safe stretching etc. Greg G. ------------------------------ From: "T. Kennelly" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:31:44 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Knuckle push ups are bad? > Bruce says: We know now that "bunny hops” and many of the conditioning exercises such as knuckle-push-ups and bag work with un-wrapped hands are bad for the student. Having just come from a class where the instructor promotes knuckle push ups I was wondering what have your learned about these knuckle push ups? Is it related to the floor the push ups are performed on? Something biomechanical about all of that weight on the knuckles and wrists? Bunny hops? Please elaborate. Thanks ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:28:58 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Dat Sine Wave Thang. "It is one of those devilish hard concepts to learn and to teach. I do know this (and I know I'll take some hits over the statement): sine wave works. For whatever reason, it does give more power without cutting speed." Anyone can field this one... Can I assume that the motion seen in those forms is an exagerrated movement used to teach "beginners" the basic idea behind the Sine Wave? I would assume that this motion "tightens up" at more advanced levels as the athlete learns to harness the "falling effect" without such exaggerated motion. If not, this Sine Wave motion would seem (by my eye) to slow the athlete down. In all fairness, boxers accomplish the same generation of power without having to dip and rise like that just by drop stepping. Can I assume that what I'm seeing in the pattern is just the beginning...rather than the ultimate goal of the practicioner? Also, it's interesting (at least to me) that Choi modified the traditional movements to harness the power of the Sine Wave motion...but those same movements (at least by my eye) seem to ignore the equally effective (if not more efficient) skill of harnessing the bodies ability to twist/torque the major joints for power generation. In other words, the shoulders and hips are still kept virtually perpindicular to the angle of the striking/blocking arm, and the knees' ability to twist are all but negated by the "locking out" of the traditional stances at the point of impact. I'm wondering if there's some theoretical reason why Choi adopted the Sine Wave into the delivery step in lieu of modifying the actual techniques (adding more torque and twist). Not trying to find fault here...just curious. Craig Stovall _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:03:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Registration form The award for the most vague registration form in the history of my seminars was received recently....and the winner is.....RAY TERRY.........truly a man of few words ....J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:52:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Breathing Exercises Recently, I've become interested in focusing more attention on breathing exercises. In particular, adding breathing exercises to my personal training regimen. Just wondering if anyone would care to share specific exercises or routines that they have found success with. Also, I'd be interested in hearing how these exercises have provided benefits in terms of performance enhancement (increased stamina, greater lung capacity, etc.). Much thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:08:55 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Registration form > The award for the most vague registration form in the history of my seminars > was received recently....and the winner is.....RAY TERRY.........truly a man > of few words ....J. R. West www.hapkido.com What? You didn't like my frequent use of 'various'? :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:09:17 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #447 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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