From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #455 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 2 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 455 In this issue: the_dojang: Academia the_dojang: the_dojang: Re: Sine Wave Re: the_dojang: Re: Sine Wave Re: the_dojang: Academia the_dojang: RE:looking for hard back Muye Dobo Tongji the_dojang: Re: Korean Weapons Stuff the_dojang: Re: Injured !! the_dojang: Re: Seminar in Massachusetts the_dojang: Hyungs the_dojang: Re: knives the_dojang: RE: Automatic weapons the_dojang: Re: Joon Jee Book the_dojang: Re: Black Trim Uniforms the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #454 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1222 members strong! 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We constantly read that Universities complain that new entrants coming from the high school systems are unable to comprehend basic Math and English. Let's face it, these courses are not fluff, they are the meat of education. If this is the result of appeasing the wishes of students, woe be us. Please understand that I am not slamming education. I am not even slamming your suggestions, I merely think that sometimes we should leave well enough alone. Mr. Terry, sorry for the length of this post, but I think it might interest some readers. >This is the eighth-gradefinal exam from 1895 in Salina, KS. USA. It was taken >from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society >and Library in Salina, KS and reprinted by the Salina Journal. 8th Grade Final Exam- Salina, KS- 1895 Grammar (Time, 1 hour) 1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters. 2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications. 3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph. 4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run. 5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case. 6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation. 7 Write a composition of about 150 words and show that you understand the practical use of grammar. Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours) 1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic. 2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold? 3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts./bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare? 4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month,and have $104 for incidentals? 5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton. 6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent. 7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per meter? 8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent. 9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods? 10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt. U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes) 1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided. 2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus. 3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War. 4. Show the territorial growth of the United States. 5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas. 6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion. 7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe? 8. Name events connected with the following dates:1607; 1620; 1800;1849;1865 Orthography (Time, 1 hour) 1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography,etymology, syllabication? 2. What are elementary sounds? How classified? 3. What are the following, and give examples: Trigraph,subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals? 4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'. 5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e'. Name two exceptions under each rule. 6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each. 7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup 8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball,mercy,sir, odd, cell, rise,blood,fare, last. 9. Use the following correctly in sentences, cite,site, sight, fane, fain,feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise 10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:43:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Libby writes: > How can I make my "instructing" be worthwhile if I > can't really demonstrate or participate? How can I make a comeback that > I'll feel good about? Hello Libby: After a severe back injury, I also thought my training, never mind my teaching days, was over. Fortunately, one of my students pointed out that he had never seen Muhammad Ali's trainer in the ring, yet he produced several excellent champion boxers. I reluctantly came to class to see how it would go, and I have not stopped since. That was in 1983. Go for it Libby, you have MUCH to contribute with the attitude you possess. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:23:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sine Wave Ok, I haven't be ignoring this on purpose. I've just been up to my ears elsewhere. Frankly, there are better people at this verbal teaching then me, but I'll give it a shot. Please be patient. First, a basic overview. Sine wave is a part of what is called the "Theory of Power". In this, General Choi (get over it -- it's easier for me to use this title) explains how the student "can condition himself to use 100 percent of his potential..." The theory is composed of seven parts: Reaction force concentration Equilibrium Breath Control Mass Speed Speed and Reflex Each part is connected to the others. While they can stand alone, and are taught alone, the must be combined to create the maximum power that Gen. Choi refers to. Sine Wave is a part of Mass. I believe the term "sine wave" is relatively new. In the past is was called "knee spring" and a couple of things I don't remember now. Below is what Gen. Choi wrote (and teaches) about mass: "Mathematically, the maximum kinetic energy or force is obtained from maximum body weight and speed and it is all important that the body weight be increased during the execution of a blow. No doubt the maximum body weight is applied with the motion by turning the hip. The large abdominal muscles are twisted to provide additional body momentum. thus the hip rotates inthe same direction as that of the attacking or blocking tool as in figure F. (note: figures are photos in the encyclopedia) Another way of increasing body weight is the utilization of a springing action of the knee joint (note: now called sine wave) This is achieved by slightly raising the hip at the beginning of the motion and lowering the hip at the moment of impact to drop the body weight into the motion as in figure G." Encyclopedia of Taekwon-Do, 1993 edition, volume 2 page 29. The theory of power is covered in about 30 pages of volume 2 and is a bit long to discuss here. It is important to note that sine wave is one small part of one component of the theory. It really can't be isolated from the rest of training. The best choice is to find an ITF certified instructor and study with him or her. Sine wave, as demonstrated in patterns and breaking, is much more emphiszed than in sparring. However, the Theory of Power holds true for sparring as well. ITF Taekwon-do is very much a martial art of self defense. Gen. Choi does not particularly like the moden notion of sparring -- a game of tag to score points. His idea is that Taekwon-Do should be "one blow, one victory." I could go on and on about the various theories that Gen. Choi has developed but I better wait for other opportunities. I hope this helps, some, with sine wave. Taekwon, Robert Martin 4th Dan ITF ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:33:00 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Sine Wave > Below is what Gen. Choi wrote (and teaches) about mass: > > "Mathematically, the maximum kinetic energy or force is obtained from > maximum body weight and speed and it is all important that the body weight > be increased during the execution of a blow. No doubt the maximum body > weight is applied with the motion by turning the hip. The large abdominal > muscles are twisted to provide additional body momentum. thus the hip > rotates inthe same direction as that of the attacking or blocking tool as in > figure F. (note: figures are photos in the encyclopedia) Another way of > increasing body weight is the utilization of a springing action of the knee > joint (note: now called sine wave) This is achieved by slightly raising the > hip at the beginning of the motion and lowering the hip at the moment of > impact to drop the body weight into the motion as in figure G." Those interested in the physics of this topic should refer back to the issues around v05.n158-161 + or -. Lots of chatter on what is correct and what is a questionable application of mathematics/physics. > points. His idea is that Taekwon-Do should be "one blow, one victory." Sounds like something he learned in Shotokan. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:45:35 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Academia >>This is the eighth-gradefinal exam from 1895 in Salina, KS. USA. It was taken >>from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society >>and Library in Salina, KS and reprinted by the Salina Journal. My dear departed grandmother, born in 1895, never went beyond the 8th grade. There was nothing beyond the 8th grade in the public schools. If you were bright you went to "Normal school" for a six week summer session and became a school teacher. I have the hand-bell she used to bring the kids in from recess. I was always amazed at just how much she learned in only 8 years (and one Normal school summer session) of academic training. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "NESSWORTHY, KEN" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 02:49:33 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE:looking for hard back Muye Dobo Tongji Chris, I have four copies of the book, 1st is the original transcript the 2nd and updated version writting in hangul, the 3rd is with nice photos and easy to follow instructions (if you can read Korean that is) and my 4th is the English version. I got the first 3 from a friend in Korea and cost a total of 30 pounds (GB) about $50. Ken :-) ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 02:52:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Korean Weapons Stuff Funny thing this discussion came up just now....I just received my new issue of Tae Kwon Do Times, and there are a couple of articles in it that discuss traditional Korean weapons, including an article that lays out the weapons discussed in the _Muye Dobo Tongji_, the oldest known KMA treatise. As I read over the article, there were a couple of weapons that I had never seen, including the Nang Sun and the Pyun Gon. Any comments? Craig ------------------------------ From: Brian Myers Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:08:12 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Injured !! Libby, Just a couple of suggestions... Coming from full reconstructive surgery on my right knee, I have battled many of the same problems you now face. 1) When doing your forms, try using "tension" movements on all upper body movements. By this I mean bring ALL muscles under tension and each movement should take 4 or 5 seconds to complete. Since you are injured, try not to tighten the muscles too much, stop short of any pain, keeping tension and moving slowly will help you regain muscle strength and control without subjecting your joints to any speed/impact danger. Please, talk to your PT about this idea, and make sure they agree - I am not a doctor! 2) Instructing is the best way to learn! If you find that you cannot demonstrate particular techniques or ideas ... use a model. Use one of your students as the "moving model". Very carefully walk them through the technique, concentrating on a slo-mo version at first. As you go through the motions, talk about each movement, the why's and how's, and use the "demo" student as a flexible model the first few times. The student you chose will learn "volumes" from this teaching method, and it acts as incentive for the other students to learn. After all most lower rank students would just love to feel they were "good enough" to help teach!! Good luck in your recovery and your future in martial arts!! (I wish I were in shape enough to run a marathon! I used to be, but my knee still isn't there - after 4 yrs!!) Yours in the Martial Spirit! Brian Myers ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:16:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Seminar in Massachusetts There will be a seminar and demonstration of Taekwondo Olympic Sparring given by two Korean national Champions and students at Young In University who are visiting the US. The visiting masters are Hyun Joon Cho and Seung Chool Nam, of Young In University in Korea. The seminar is on Saturday, August 11 from 3 - -5:30PM at Kwon's Taekwondo Academy in Tewksbury MA. For more info call Kwon's TKD Academy at 978-858-3699. ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 05:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Hyungs Hi All, Can anyone tell me about the following hyungs: Jhinthe - Maybe Jindo Chin te (Gankaku in Shotokan) a 1st or 2nd Dan form in TSD Sang duk kwal -Don'tknow Dae ji hul Lohaji - Could be Ro Hai/Lo hai often a 3rd Dan form in TSD Wan shoo - Also Yun be (Empi in Shotokan) usually a 5th Dan form in TSD Hope that helps Charles R. Moja Kwan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:44:57 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: knives On the subject of inexpensive knives, Gerber's LST retails for around $20.00 and it takes and holds an excellent edge (good enough to shave bits of my arm when I test it, anyway). I've had one (actually I've had a couple and lost a couple) for several years and have never been disappointed with it. While it isn't advertised as a one-hand opener, you can hold the knife by the bottom and flick it open with no problem. Additionally, the thing is thin and light enough that it doesn't make a mess out of your pocket. - --- begin quoted text --- From: "Jon David Payne" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:09:44 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re(2): knives I will agree that some tactical knives out there are just too expensive, but I don't think 30.00-36.00 is too much to pay. You can find a good Gerber EZ-Out in that price range. I tend to really shy away from "cheap" knives from China and Pakistan. - --- end quoted text --- - ---===--- Jim Griffin www.wuma.com sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:45:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Automatic weapons Mark, I don't know about the automatic weapons with both hands. After all the federal paperwork is pretty extensive and the loss of privacy is substantial, IMHO. But I certainly advocate learning handgun, both revolver and pistol, with both hands, as well as shotgun and rifle. And as for traditional weapons, I don't see any problem with learning weapons and adding them to the training material offered by a school. I also don't see why anyone needs to claim that weapons are necessarily a part of the primary art they teach. In most cases a more accurate description would be, "Yes, I teach weapons too.", and not some bull about weapons being incorporated into this traditional art from its beginning, since granny used her laundry stick to drive off a contingent of Chinese invaders. Sorry I couldn't help myself:) Danny Dunn <<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: Jesse Segovia Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:01:35 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Joon Jee Book > If it is the book I recall - then the man involved returned to Korea, I > believe before the third book. I would be interested in becoming > reacquainted with them if they are the volumes I recall - they would contain > pictures of my earliest Hapkido friends. I've got those books. How did you know the folks in the books? Did you study in that dojang under Master Ji? I once tried to call the publisher in Korea to ask if there were any additional books in the series but I couldn't find them. Jesse ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:21:52 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Black Trim Uniforms On Wed. Aug 1, Richard wrote : > >I have noticed that a couple of the uniforms that I bought with Black Trim >would bleed into the white part of the uniform when washed. Is this a >common problem? I have some uniforms that the Black Trim has faded badly >after several years of washing and wearing but just this year I have come >accross the problem with bleeding.< Richard. I have noticed this lately with black or blue trim uniforms as well. At least the Pro Force brand. Of course, on the blue trim, I've usually had the trim provided by my GM sewn on. One student recently bought a blue-trimmed Pro Force uniform, washed it warm/hot and not only did it slightly run, it faded too fast. Beside liking a professional look to a new uniform, I hate to see new dans "looking" experienced without actually breaking the uniform in . So, when I got a similar new black trim Pro-Force uniform,I washed it in cold water the first few times and it neither bled, nor faded too fast. But, I don't wear the black trim that often either. Just another observation. Dana _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:49:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #454 Master Hackworth, I haven't had a problem, but I have my uniforms custom trimmed. A trick that my wife uses is to soak the material that will be used to trim the uniforms in vinegar for an hour or so, then wash it a couple of times. This sets the color so that it does not bleed. You might try that with your uniforms. A byproduct is that it makes the material a little softer. Danny Dunn I have noticed that a couple of the uniforms that I bought with Black Trim would bleed into the white part of the uniform when washed. Is this a common problem? I have some uniforms that the Black Trim has faded badly after several years of washing and wearing but just this year I have come accross the problem with bleeding. Richard Hackworth www.americandragon.org ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 7:29:12 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #455 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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