From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #456 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 2 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 456 In this issue: the_dojang: Real knife stuff the_dojang: Knee Problems-Exercises the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #455 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #454 Re: the_dojang: Re: Joon Jee Book the_dojang: RE: Training and teaching injuried the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #455 the_dojang: the_dojang: the_dojang: seminar the_dojang: RE: Choosey about book sources the_dojang: RE: Cho Dan Bo the_dojang: Black Trim Advice the_dojang: RE: Hyung Names the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #454 the_dojang: Re: Knife the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #454 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "phil" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:30:53 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Real knife stuff A word of caution. This is a true story. I used to teach tactical knife, right up until I had a student use it in what the state thought was inappropriate and tried to charge him with second degree attempted murder. First let me tell you that this person was a very timid individual, he could not deal with confrontation. Well one night him and his wife and 2 other girls were out at 2am in Ybor City, Fl. Now this area has been a known trouble area at night and he broke my number one rule (don’t go to Ybor at night) Anyway 3 large bruisers started harassing his wife and girl friends, he was about 30 feet away observing the situation as the words began to fly. Then one of the body builders noticed that he was paying attention to what was going on and wanted to know if he wanted a piece of the action and started to rapidly approach him. He started backing up and by this point had his brand new Gerber 4” tactical folder in his hand and open, as the attacker swung at him, he slashed, catching him from the collar bone and across his chest. The attacker did not realize he had the knife or the fact that he was cut, so he kept punching as my student was on the ground trying to shield himself, with the Gerber in his hand in a reverse grip. So as he is punching him he is also cutting up his own arms and not realizing it. After a few seconds, blood is everywhere and the attacker learns that he just messed with the wrong person (over 300 stitches). When police arrive they knick name my student “The master chef” and arrest him. Two and a half years later and 30,000.00 in attorney’s fees and nearly lost his marriage. In the end he got 6 months probation and they withheld adjudication and neither mans life will ever be the same. I still carry a knife myself, but in a self-defense situation I would not use it unless I would be willing to use a gun in the same situation. Phil ------------------------------ From: Kevin Janisse Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Knee Problems-Exercises <".... Adults should avoid squat positions for any activity deeper than 90 degrees, esp if increasing the force by weights or jumping. Otherwise, they are just asking for a meniscus tear...."> Gentlemen, There are different forces applied to the Knee joint depending on the type of exercise, flexibility, supporting muscles..ect. A slow-deep knee bends on an average adult with no flexibility issues surrounding the Joint will not cause damage to the joint but rather prevent damage and arthritic conditions within the joint. I must stress SLOW, as what has been already mentioned, the type and rate of exercise will determine the benefits or damage. In power lifting (Olympic style) the front squat is performed in a deep knee bend to prevent knee damage yet the rear squat is performed at no lower than 90 degrees to prevent injury to the knee. The overall physiology of the exercise needs to be taken into consideration and of course what effect do you want from the exercise. "My question is...why do duck walks...unless your a duck" Best regards, Kevin M. Janisse _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:24:58 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #455 Rudy wrote: > Compare this old exam with what schools teach today. I would be surprised > if any highschool grad could pass this 1895 (look at the date again) grade 8 > final exam. I have omitted the entire on hour Geography section to shorten > the post some. I dare say, many University students would have problems. > STUFF DELETED > ..... Please understand that I am not slamming education. I am not even slamming > your suggestions, I merely think that sometimes we should leave well enough > alone. Mr. Terry, sorry for the length of this post, but I think it might > interest some readers. I saw this in the news a few weeks ago, and really, it _is_ being used to criticize modern education. In fairness though, I recently read a report by the Education Department back in the 1880s, and along with this type of test one should realize that very few people made it into college in those days, and even fewer completed the course. I don't have the stats on me, but the numbers were much lower than today. Perhaps there is a problem today with mastery of content in the schools, but if there is I have a feeling it derives from a belief that education is essential for a democracy, and that means we have to teach all the students, not just the ones with aptitude, adequate study time, and money to pay for it. Living in a university town, I can assure you that there are plenty of kids taking Spanish at the age of 2, learning ballet or music or other subjects. Ok, that's it! I know we don't need to turn this forum into a discussion of education so that's all I'll say. If anyone wants to chat (or flame), just email me privately, ok? Thanks! Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:42:45 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #454 > From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:24:07 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: RE: More Kicks stuff > > Dear Spunky: > > Of course we have been talking about hyper-flexing the knee. Help me out. Do > you know of any information regarding hyper-extending the knee? I am > thinking or people who execute kicks to a locked position, most specifically > front kick, RH kick and spinning heel kick. Anyone? > > Best Wishes, > Bruce Well, if the students kick air aggressively, ie: hyperextend at the end with no contact to stop the lower leg, you can end up with a ACL injury. Very painful if strained, not at all if torn. The ACL (anterior cruciate ligament) is slack when the knee is flexed and taut when fully extended (straight). It prevents backward displacement of the femur (upper leg bone) on the tibia (one of the lower leg bones) which can occur with hyperextension. Severe hyperextension can cause the ligament to tear. Some students have felt a sudden pain when misjudging the pad during a front, round or back kick. That happens when they try to kick to full extension, and the ACL is slightly strained not torn. It is always safer to kick just short of full locked out position for this very reason. Hope I have helped add some info. Spunky ------------------------------ From: "ISA CONSULTATION GROUP" Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:16:44 -0400 Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Joon Jee Book In my *Early Masters of TKD* video, I have inserted the *Hapkido Cane Techniques* from the book series by Joon M Jee. George Petrotta http://taekwondo.4dw.com/ http://hapkido.4dw.com/ http://gpetrott.webjump.com/index.html ISA CONSULTATION GROUP includes ISA Martial Arts, ISA Web Design and ISA Consulting Services! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:19:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Training and teaching injuried Libby, One of the best things you can do when you are not able to physically work out is to visualize going through your workout and in particularly your forms, one-steps or other set techniques. I use two types. Visualize what I look like or want to look like executing a movement. Second, visualize your self actually doing the movement, trying to visualize exactly what each part of your body feels like as each technique is executed perfectly. These are best done alone, so yopu can concentrate, rather than while watching class, at least until you become better at concentrating on what you are doing. This also works with any technique. As for teaching, I assume you are working with lower ranked belts under the supervision of a qualified instructor, but not being able to physically demonstrate the technique forces you to think about what you are doing in order to describe exactly how something should be done and should feel while being executed. Actually, this should improve your teaching effectiveness. Danny Dunn ------------------------------ From: "Clifford Vaught" Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:30:28 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #455 Looking for Tang Soo Do in the Ellicott City, MD area. Soo Bahk!! Cliff Vaught _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:39:51 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Ray writes: > I was always amazed at just how much she learned in only 8 years (and one > Normal school summer session) of academic training. Hi Ray: Thanks for sharing this with us, and some think we improved on that????? Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:47:10 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Dana writes: > So, when I got a similar new black trim > Pro-Force uniform,I washed it in cold water the first few times and it > neither bled, nor faded too fast. But, I don't wear the black trim that > often either. Just another observation. Hi Dana: Try adding some salt to the water when first wahsing the dobok. Like the vinegar, it is supposed to SET the colors. One thing I know for sure is to never leave a "two tone" dobok in the washer after the completion of the wash. The black of the wet dobok is sure to stain other parts then. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:50:07 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: seminar Hello folks: Just a reminder that Master Geoff Booth will be at my Dojang in Canada to run a seminar in early August. If interested, please contact me at kwanjang@nkmaa.ca for further information like dates and cost. Everyone is welcome. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts association ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:22:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Choosey about book sources Dear Ray: Thank you as always for sharing that book review in #454. I hope am not sounding a sour note, but I would like to make a comment regarding our fine publishing industry in the US. At the large bookstore chain at which I work PT we routinely set out tables which carry a particular theme. In this case, the theme revolved around Buddhism, its history and practice. I couldn't find fault with the books that were selected for this table, but I noticed that there were many titles which were conspicuous by their absence. When I asked management about this I was reminded that the models for these displays are set by the corporate office in NY and are based on sales numbers, projected earnings, agreements with publishers and so on. The reason that I share this is because I have noticed that often when folks are discussing books or tapes many of the usual sources such as Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, HALF.COM and others get mentioned. I wanted to say that I think its important that people remember that these entities are in the business of selling books and not necessarily out to raise the education or understanding of their customers. Investigation and research needs to use resources which provide the greatest depth and breadth of information and not just what the market provides because it results in the highest sales numbers. That means becoming acquainted with how to search library and government catalogues (many of which that are on-line), how to network with reference librarians (ie. make friends and influence people) and making time for personal visits to institutions. The alternative as I see it is to be satisfied with a word seach at the local bookselling website and purchasing the least objectionable pop paperback. I know we can do better than that and I want you to know I appreciate your efforts to help us in that direction. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:52:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Cho Dan Bo Frank, I don't have the exact translation for "Cho Dan Bo", but the common translation used by my Kwan Chang Nim is "Black Belt Candidate". We use the term "Cho Dan" for first degree, meaning beginner dan, so I always assumed this meant something like assistant or apprentice, but I'm not sure about that. I was hoping someone else would respond to your post with an exact translation. Guess I should add I'm TSD. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<>>> ------------------------------ From: "hackworth" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:25:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Black Trim Advice Black Trim Care & Advice Thanks to all who sent or posted advice about the Black Trim uniforms. Richard Hackworth www.pbms4me.com ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:03:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Hyung Names Ken, It would be easier if you listed the first couple of moves, but: Jhinthe Jin Do, common in TSD, around sam dan, or possibly Chinte Sang duk kwal Don't recognize the name Dae ji hul Ditto Lohaji I think Ro Ha is the most likely candidate, common in TSD, around sah dan Wan shoo Wan Shu which is commonly practiced in TSD, around oh dan Danny Dunn ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:08:33 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #454 Master Clay, Could you tell us a bit more about these two hyung. I'm not familiar with either of them. Thanks Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<< SAng Duk Kwan sounds like Sang Kuk Kwan which was like a snake form we used to do many years back. Dae Ji hyul, is finding the vital points of the earth, and an intersting form, to say the least.>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:15:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Knife I carry several knives on my person hidden while on duty. I feel if you are going to rely on an edged weapon It should a decent weapon as you can afford. I hide a spyderco police model and also carry a Benchmade spyderco licensed model . Both have high quality surgical steel blades that hold an edge and are close top razor sharp. The down side is the clip wears down my $98.00 police pants... Jack ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:20:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #454 From: "hackworth" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:23:25 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Black Trim Uniforms Black Trim Uniforms I have noticed that a couple of the uniforms that I bought with Black Trim would bleed into the white part of the uniform when washed. Is this a common problem? Are these the havey weight hapkido unifoprms offered by BestMartial arts/Sang Moo Sa? Jack ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:11:03 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #456 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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