From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #465 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 6 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 465 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #460 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #462 the_dojang: Re: What Else? the_dojang: RE: Wagners Clothes the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #462 the_dojang: balanced lives the_dojang: teaching and life outside the dojang the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:34:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #460 << Why can't I buy a book, and learn the Songahm forms (if I can be that good) then teach it to someone else? What make the Songahm forms different than a poem, or a theory, or an idea in a book? they are all copyrighted. >> Copyrighting a body movement is a shaded area. That which is copyrighted is not the individual movements, but the expression of the idea...(or the sequential pattern of the form.) Teachers know that a student can use material, such a the Songahm forms, to help create his/her own work. He/She could not, however, directly utilize a form and call it his/her own. That would be plagarism/copyright infringement. Once the expression of the idea has been copyrighted, the sequential pattern of the form (or sequence of the written word) is protected, not the individual ideas with in it (i.e., a round kick). Just because someone copyrights a US history book, does not mean no one else can write "Independence Day." I know of a former student of the school were I train who took portions of the forms he learned here and rearranged them to make his own "traditional forms." As a Tang Soo Do student, it is very easy to discern the portions of the forms that belong to our style, however the sequential pattern has been altered, so he did, in a sense, create a different form. Creating a book for public consumers seems to be in direct contradiction to the desire to not have a form copied. Commercialism really brings down the integrity of a martial art. - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:17:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #462 My fiance, who is also my Tang Soo Do instructor, has many hobbies. Tang Soo Do is, however, his first love and the majority of his time is devoted to it. I figure skate, he plays ice hockey. We both read, inline skate, mountain bike, and are web-junkies. I like to grow things. He likes to build things, golf and ski (all of which I am horrendously bad at.) We are an active pair. ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:12:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: What Else? Ken writes: > How many of you martial arts experts or teachers have other > hobbies or interests outside of your martial arts training ? Hello, I am a teacher, but make no claims to being an expert. I am actually a doctoral student in neuroscience which takes up about 45% of my time and martial arts take up about 45%. The other 10% is spent going to movies and dinner with my wife, playing Baduk (Go) with friends, as well as fishing and camping during the summer. I have found it is important for me to have activities outside of both martial arts and neuroscience, but the majority of my outside activities are done with fellow martial artist. Sincerely, Rich _______________________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba Department of Anatomy & Cell Biology University of North Dakota School of Medicine 501 North Columbia Road P.O. Box 9037 Grand Forks, ND 58202-9037 zaruba@medicine.nodak.edu 701.777.3952 office 701.777.2576 lab 701.777.2477 fax ------------------------------ From: Gregory Giddins Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:34:31 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Wagners Clothes >apparently the Songham people are particularly protective of their material and its within their rights to do this. But lets' not make a Wagnerian Opera out of it.< Speaking of Wagner, a little trivia: Composer Richard Wagner was known to dress in historical costumes while writing his operas. I would never compare myself to a genious like Wagner, but it's nice to find that I have something in common with him. Over the years I have found out that the only way I can motivate myself to work out on my own is if I actually put on my uniform. (We work out in street clothes every other Saturday in class, but I'm just addressing working out on my own, on the off-days) When I used to try and just go out somewhere in shorts and a t-shirt I would have a terrible time working up motivation to get in a decent work-out. But the strangest thing, as soon as I put on the uniform I can give it 100%. Anyone else experience that? Or maybe the reverse of that? Or am I just a freak? Greg Giddins ------------------------------ From: Gregory Giddins Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:21:59 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #462 >From: "Mac" > <> > >Said like a true computer geek! Don't listen to him, he works for "The Man". >As am aside, to to the instructors, have you found that teaching has taken over your MA life? Do you ever "resent" teaching, feel that you took up the arts to practice, not to teach? How do you deal with those feelings?< Oh goodness, no. Although I could possibly see where an instructor could feel that way if they were teaching all night, 6 nights a week. Now that I think about it, though, I distinctly remember feeling a little of that at 1st Dan, for probably 2 months. It wasn't overwhelming, but it was there for a while. Then I figured out I can work out while teaching. Once I started taking a more "on the mat" approach those feelings faded away. Standing around barking orders just didn't do it for me. I do have a 1st dan who doesn't enjoy teaching, though. He was a "dojang jumper" for the last 8 years or so, and is a PHENOMINAL fighter, but terrible at forms, one-steps, etc. (he calls himself a kick-boxer who learned his trade in a karate school), and the reason he would jump schools is the instructors would always pressure him into teaching sparring, he would feel pressured, then leave. He's finally maturing a little, and is starting to understand that *discipline* comes with martial arts. And lo and behold, now that he is actually putting a little effort into it he is actually enjoying performing and cleaning up Bassai. Don't tell him I told you, though. It would ruin his image. Greg "Don't listen to anyone who installs Microsoft software for a living" Giddins ------------------------------ From: "Elizabeth (Libby) Wiebel" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: balanced lives I'm not sure where this thread started, so no "snippets"... but I wanted to contribute. I think MA have helped me to maintain a balanced life. In addition to being a martial artist, I am a musician and a graduate student. In order to keep all of my studying, practicing, and training in order... not to mention my general physical and mental well-being, I truly need to practice balance. I think that the aspects of "balance" that I have been taught in my TKD schools has helped me to prioritize and strategize... meet my goals... but refuse to sacrifice the things I see as truly important. I play my piano, write, program computers, read novels, lift weights, and do all sorts of things in addition to my MA training. I still manage to train about 4 times a week... and am happy with how things go. Secondly... Thanks to all who replied regarding my injury and how to make a successful "comeback". I will keep the many suggestions I received in mind. Just to clarify (I believe someone asked), I currently hold my low-red belt and am only an assistant instructor. All my instructing is supervised by a higher belt, and I generally work with green-belts and below. As I progress, so will my instructing. It's always good to hear advice _on_ instructing... As a piano teacher, we constantly hear in the "music" community that a good performer doesn't always make a good teacher -- they may know the ins and outs of how to make beautiful music, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be able to pass it on. I think the same thing applies here... or really in any "teaching" environment. IMHO, more time should be spent teaching teachers how to teach... in all arenas. Another visit to the PT today... this whiplash is stubborn, but so am I. Perseverence... I'll beat it and be back to regular training just as soon as I am able! Many thanks, Libby - -- - ------- Libby Wiebel ewiebel@cs.wm.edu http://www.cs.wm.edu/~ewiebel - ---------------------------------- "Speak your mind, even if your voice shakes." ~ Maggie Kuhn - ---------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Kevin Janisse Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: teaching and life outside the dojang <> Ken, I enjoy computer video and photography yet it was driven by a need to document and publish MA material. Most of my time is spent raising and nuturing my family. I have little time outside of that to get into other hobbies, though, for two years I did spend a good amount of time in compedative power-lifting yet I still found the time to keep MA training. <> Over the past 19 years I have spent anywhere from 5 to 20+ hours a week training or teaching. I don't not consider MA my full time career nor do I plan on it until my children have left the nest. There are times when I feel pressed for time and I would rather train than spend that time teaching. For the most part, the reward in seeing the fruits of my labor mature in my students far outweighs the times of selfishness. I love to teach and to share what I have learned and when I was not able to teach, there seemed to be an empty spot in my life. In summary, no matter what I try to do to keep a balance, someone ends up feeling cheated...even myself. Sincerely, Kevin M. Janisse _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:55:29 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #465 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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