From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #484 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 16 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 484 In this issue: the_dojang: Taebo the_dojang: injury help the_dojang: Hapkido the_dojang: MYTBTJ the_dojang: Moment of Truth video review the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Pratt" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:34:52 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Taebo Dear all, Taebo seems to be making an impression here. I was walking through one of the Olympic Park stations yesterday and was attracted to a video screen. Normally a video of the 88 Olympics is played. However, yesterday there was a video of Taebo (or a Taebo-like system). At the end the title 'sae chon-nyon kongang ch'echo' (New millennium health gymnastics). One to keep an eye on I think. Andrew ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer Towns" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:09:33 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: injury help Hello all, I recently blew out my left knee in the dojang, dislocating the kne cap very painfully to the side of my leg. I did the same thing to my other knee only 4 months ago while bowling, and am still fighting with it (a meniscus tear) as my ortho doc thinks, that at 19 yrs old, (you're young, it'll heal). Now that I have done the other one also, maybe he'll tak me seriously. I took 4 weks off for the other knee, but will have to take more off for this one, but I do not want it to be the end of my TSD days, especially since I was just offered a teaching job at th satelite of our school due to the original's size. What can I do to kep from further damaging my knees since my doc seems not to want surgical repair of meniscus, I really want to comtinue my training, and not be "punches only" as some are already saying. Feel free to email me privately at: Alanis0811@msn.com Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. Tang Soo, Jennifer Towns 1st Dan TSD Cheezic TSD Federation _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: DDODGE2 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:29:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido I was wondering if someone might be able to give me some background on Hapkido. I've heard it's basically Jujitsu with a Korean name. Is that true? Also I would be interested in any websites that might provide me with some more indepth info on Hapkido. Where I train in TKD also has Hapkido classes that are free to me once I've been invited to attend the classes. The reason for "invitation only" training was explained to me that our instructor likes to know a persons temperment before he starts teaching them Hapkido and I just moved to a new city and have only trained with him for a couple of weeks now. I am very interested in Jujitsu and if Hapkido and Jujitsu are the same or close to being the same It would save me loads of time and money. Your partner in training Danny Dodge ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Pratt" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:33:28 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: MYTBTJ Dear Bruce and Andy, A blast from the past from issue 459. I seem to have lost the original post but what video are you talking about? Is there a new Turtle video on Korean traditional(sic) martial arts or are you referring to the Haidong Gumdo video? >> "....I have not been following this thread recently however I have a question. Where did the forms on the Turtle Press videos come from? Where they just made up? I have the book and dont see how the forms came to be...." << >> 1.) The manner in which the techniques are identified don't always speak to the biomechanics of the technique. Usually the title attempts to capture the essense of the technique. "Dragon fishing for pearls" obviously does not allude to a real dragon or pearls but attempts to capture the nature rather than just the mechanics of the technique. Problem is that leaves a lot of latitude for executing that particular technique depending on ones' background or application. The good news is that --- well-- that leaves a lot of latitude for executing that particular technique depending on ones' background or application. :-) << Many of the techniques so named in the kwonbop section and many of the sword sections are Chinese Ming derived and seem to survive in various Chinese martial arts (Such as Tai Chi). The problem is particularly acute for the native patterns where Chinese terms are found. Does this mean that the native technique was based on a Chinese original, was the ideograph(s) simply re-used, or have the Chinese copied a ChosOn technique? >> 2.) We don't necessarily know the timing or rythymn of the hyung. Like musical notes in a score, hyung are more than a string of movements punched out like the ticking of a watch. There are slow movements and fast, tight and expansive movements both. Its hard to know exactly how to "play" those movements just reading off of a sheet of paper. << That would appear to be something the original authors did not consider. They definitely improved on the Chinese model of ma manuals in that they do indicate the stepping motion and direction of many of the moves, something that is missing from Chinese manuals, but there is no indication of pace. >> 3.) We don't necessarily know the preparatory moves that provide for the transition from one technique to another or why one technique necessarily follows another in the order that they do. << Very true. The illustrations do not indicate if they are the start position, middle, or end of each technique. >> I am going to guess that what we are seeing on the tape is probably pretty accurate. I will also be the first to say that I am fully prepared for at least some variance. << There are at least two groups who claim to be derived from the MYTBTJ that I know of. Sip p'al ki who have a 'Chinese' look to their moves and Kyong Dang who seem to be plodding their own path. >> In Kumdo, one of the traditional hyung BON KUK GUEM BOP pops up in a number of styles and you would be surprized at how much variance there is from place to place. Hope this is of some help. << Not surprising really. How could all these Korean Komdo styles that have existed for eons NOT include a pattern called 'Our national sword method'?? :-) Andrew ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:20:09 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Moment of Truth video review The Moment of Truth: How to Physically, Mentally, and Legally Survive a Street Fight with Luciano Silveira Video. Color, approx. 60 min. $29.95 Available from Paladin Press, Gunbarrel Tech Center, 7077 Winchester Circle, Boulder, CO 80301; (303)443-7250; Fax (303)442-8741; to order call (800) 466-6868 or online at http://www.paladin-press.com. ($5.00 P&H charge added to orders) This video is loaded with practical advice and sound tips dealing with violence and self-defense. Luciana Silveira, a martial art instructor put together a cast including Peyton Quinn, founder of RMCAT and noted self-defense author; Brian Dolan, police officer; Michael Hulsizer, a Human Aggression Expert; Steve Banks, a gang and violence expert; and Neil Bruntrager, a former prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney. Switching from one expert to another keeps the video fast paced, and provides perspectives and advice concerning boundaries, boundary invasions, boundary setting, de-escalation, adrenal stress effects and training, basic combat concepts and techniques, and the legal aftermath of a violent encounter. The video includes mock scenes illustrating points, interviews, live home or news video footage, and instructional setting filming. Silveira starts out by saying, "Nobody wins a streetfight." This is probably the most useful message in the film, and illustrations by him and the others show why one should use the de-escalation tips in the video and avoid physical violence whenever possible. One should note that some of the language and scenes would warrant an R rating, and parents may wish to view the tape with their children to point out why you want to avoid violence and not go to prison or the morgue. The language and scenes are nothing compared to what you may face in the street, so if the video opens some peoples eyes to the violent possibilities out there and gets people to be aware and avoid such incidents Silveira will have accomplished one of his goals with the tape, to assist the viewer in remaining safe and out of prison. The Combat Concepts and Techniques section was more of an overview of a couple basic concepts and skills you should consider to be included in your self defense training. Silveira mentions and shows an example of combat mindset, preemptive striking and continuous attack. He then briefly goes over some of the tools you can develop and recommends certain martial arts that train in those skills. I do have to disagree with him that Combat Hapkido is the better art to train in than a traditional Hapkido program for control and restraining techniques, but that is my personal bias from living and training in Hapkido in South Korea and knowing many traditional Hapkido instructors teaching very complete programs. I watched the legal portion closely, having a law degree myself, and found the information to be the basic information a person should understand about this topic in order to protect oneself legally if ever forced to defend oneself from an attacker or bully, especially in an area with witnesses such as many bars where violence occurs. For the novice, who thinks that joining a martial art class turns people into Kung-Fu Killers that are invincible and by joining is ready to take on anyone, this is a good wake up call. For others, it is some good basics to include into your overall self-defense plan. And for instructors, it shows us some different ways to get the message to our students. Definitely a recommended tape, especially for those who have not dealt with violence or the legal system after a violent encounter. Reviewed by Alain Burrese, August 2001 http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 7:04:22 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #484 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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