From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #495 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 22 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 495 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Tournament looky-loo's the_dojang: Re: Trouble Makers the_dojang: Re: Technique Stealers the_dojang: Marital...uh, I mean Martial arts the_dojang: RE: Oh My Aching Toe RE: the_dojang: age the_dojang: RE: Craig's broke toe and Rich's unwelcome visitors the_dojang: RE: Unwanted Visitors the_dojang: Correction RE: the_dojang: age the_dojang: excuses for Master West... the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:29:48 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tournament looky-loo's In a message dated 8/22/2001 12:21:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << B) Every time there is a tournament in my area I have a number of "visitors" come during my classes, especially my advanced and sparring classes. They watch and never have any questions when they are greeted at first or later on, unless they are asking questions of one of my lower belts. These same people turn up at the tournament as our competitors usually as advanced and black belts. It doesn't seem to help them much but they can be very distracting. It is not that I am trying to hide anything, I emphasize basic techniques, combos and principles that are available from any good instructor and then teach according to each person's body type how to apply them. >> I know alot of schools have separate times ... not the regular scheduled sparring times ... when they work on tournament sparring ... for those that will attending the tournament. These can be closed door training sessions. I know I have done extra sessions for those that wanted to compete in tournaments ... and that way you won't have those guys come in and eyeball your students and what you are working on for the tournament. ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:41 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Trouble Makers In a message dated 8/22/2001 12:21:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << C) This last one happened very recently so it is still fresh in my mind. I had a "visitor" come to my class and then start running his mouth about how everything we did was wrong. I invited him out on to the mat to demonstrate using me as his partner, he refused saying that that would be a complete waste of his time. I figured he would leave, he sat there and then began the same thing again and telling my students that they should just give up on their training with me and come train with him. At this point one of my intermediate students went and talked to him after which he left very quickly. >> I don't ignore these types ... these types are asked to leave the dojang. If they cannot sit there and be quiet while class is in session ... then they need to leave. That is our policy here. If they don't want to leave ... I pick up the phone and tell them I am calling the police to have them escorted out of the building. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:31:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Technique Stealers In a message dated 8/22/2001 12:21:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << A) I've had a "visitor" come in and watch me teach Ki Bon Soo (our first set of techniques) to several white belts and then found out he was trying to teach them to his so called advanced students the next week as highly advanced material in his style. In that situation I don't believe there was anything I could do about it. It was and still is aggravating, but he did end up losing five students to me after they worked with one of my students over a t the base fitness center by accident. >> I don't worry about these types ... if they themselves haven't trained in it in the first place ... what they teach will be shoddy ... so much the better for me and my students then. hehehehe So sad that they have to shop around like that to get ideas on what to teach their advanced students tho ... ! And if he thinks what you are teaching your beginner's is good enough for his advanced ... so much the better for you ... LOL ! Illona ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:08:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Marital...uh, I mean Martial arts The "other" Craig wrote, "I can stand to be corrected, as the few submission fights I've seen might interest adventurous romantic couples more then MAs....." Lemme guess...the guard, north & south, and rear mount positions are conjuring up unwholesome thoughts in your mind. Please, sir...seek professional help before it's too late. Just kidding...just kidding!!! ;) Craig "Honest, honey...I was only showing the babysitter how to pass the guard" Stovall _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "NESSWORTHY, KEN" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:03:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Oh My Aching Toe Oh that brings back so many painful memories. I remember while I was being graded for 7th gup many years ago I had to perform a roundhouse kick on a roofing tile for my breaking technique. As I had broken all my toes in my early years I could and still cannot pull my toes back (unlike my wife who can pull them back at a 90 deg angle). Consequently I kicked the tile head on or should I say big toe on, and although the tile broke in a thousand pieces, so did my big toe. Three days later my whole foot was black (missing the blue part) and hurt a lot. Since then I avoid the roundhouse on any hard objects like the plague. My advice..... seek medical help. I didn't and now I pay for it big time. regards Ken III Dan Shinson TSD ------------------------------ From: "NESSWORTHY, KEN" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:03:46 -0400 Subject: RE: the_dojang: age Terry, You wrote: While it does seem a bit strange for a young 20-something year old to create their own martial arts organization, think about how young some/many/most of the Koreans were that started their own, very popular, MA orgs and styles. Several were only in their late teens... My response: Look at how the Koreans train? not just 2-4 hours a week like the majority of us but 10-12 hours per days 7 days a week, like most martial artists from the east they are totally dedicated to their training (may have stepped on some toes their!!!) Regards Ken ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:48:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Craig's broke toe and Rich's unwelcome visitors _________________________________________________________________ Craig, I saw George's recommendations on apple cider vinegar bath and realized I hadn't added any medication. I would also use some camphre leaves to make a poultice and place it on your toe and any bruised areas of the foot two or three times a day. Another common name for camphre is "bone-set" or "bone-knit" and it is commonly used in Appalachian and European herbal medicine for speeding up recovery from bruises, ligament and tendon injuries, and of course broken bones. You should be able to find plants at herbal stores or at plant dealers that sell herb and spice garden plants. Rich, I've had these kinds of things happen a number of times over the years. Last time was about a year ago. This particularly nasty guy opened a Hapkido school just down the street. I teach Tang Soo Do. He brought several Instructors, I assume, by my school where they sat and watched while talking among themselves, but declined any discussion with me. I advertise in the small town where my school is located by fliers, which a lot of the other bussinesses display in their windows. I noticed all my fliers were being removed and replaced by this guy's. Then one of my students overheard this guy and his instructors laughing about tearing down my fliers and denigrating my school in a restaurant. My senior students were ready to go tear down his fliers and signs. I would not permit this of course. I should add that this guy appearantly thought our studio was taekwondo, since his fliers pointed out his brand of hapkido was superior to taekwondo. I lost a couple of students that were not really commited to learning to this guy initially, but the guy closed his door and left town within about 9 months, with a number of his students money. When I was in another town, not just the instructor but almost the whole taekwondo school turned out to watch my school spar every night. My classes ran 2-2.5 hours, so he would finish before we did. Initially, it was just a few people came in and watched. My students told me that the other school referred to us as the "Combat Killers". I was in a large strip mall at the time and I never bothered to block the windows across the front. By the time this guy's school closed, at times I had people 2 and three deep standing outside the windows peering in at our sparring. Got so bad the other business started complaining because a lot of these folks were still in dobahks and the other business owners thought they were my students. I finally had to tell them not to come back because of the complaints, but the school closed within just a few months after that. I've found that I never had anyone who was disruptive return once I have invited them to demonstrate their stuff then work out with me, whether or not they accepted. Some people never learn there is no substitute for hard work under a qualified instructor. But its been my experience their schools don't last long either. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:00:48 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Unwanted Visitors I wish I had a dollar for every creep I've seen walk through a dojo/dojang door. I think they're just a hazard of the profession that one has to learn to live with. Not much you can do about the one's coming in to "spy" on you. I say let them watch all they want to. The truth lies in training, not in watching. If it weren't the case then we could all just stay home and watch Panther videos. Trust me...if they're worried about what you're doing in your school they aren't much of a "threat". The real champs are the ones who stay at home and tend to their own knitting. As for the nuts (Case #3), that's more difficult. Each one is unique. Sometimes it's a truly disturbed individual...other times it's just someone playing their idea of a practical joke...some are actually looking for a fight. Having a LEO in class and letting them handle it was very appropriate. IMO, it's a good practice (if you can afford it) to offer discount rates to LEO's in order to attract a good number of them. The ones I've known made great students (for the most part), and after awhile your school may gain the reputation of being a training spot for LEO's. Once this gets out it tends to make some of the "badasses" shy away. Lots of people like looking for fights, but few want trouble with the law. If nothing else, you increase your chances of having a LEO on hand to help you out. Just an idea. BTW, I always love hearing these types of stories. Anybody else want to share stories about some of the assorted creeps that have graced their doorways? Craig "Please go hassle the kung-fu school across town" Stovall _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:52:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Correction Sorry, I was doing something else and all of a sudden it hit me that I wrote to use camphre to treat breaks and connective tissue injuries. My mistake. I should have said "comphry", not "camphre". Its been one of those weeks. Danny Dunn ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:47:12 PDT Subject: RE: the_dojang: age > Look at how the Koreans train? not just 2-4 hours a week like the majority > of us but 10-12 hours per days 7 days a week, like most martial artists from > the east they are totally dedicated to their training (may have stepped on > some toes their!!!) Ken, do you really believe that Koreans, in Korea, train 10 to 12 hours each and every day? Year in and year out? I gotta a bridge around here somewhere... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:54:51 PDT Subject: the_dojang: excuses for Master West... Well, I just received the results of an MRI done on my wrist two days ago. The Impression is that the "Findings are compatible with a complex tear of the triangular fibrocartilage". :( That and the follow-up surgery they want to do on my belly to repair a hernia left from a previous surgery should keep me well stocked up on excuses for Master West's February and even perhaps next August HKD seminars. more :( Ray "at least my little toe doesn't hurt" Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:00:18 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #495 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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