From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #497 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 23 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 497 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #496 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #495 age... the_dojang: Korean training regimen the_dojang: RE: Unwanted visitors the_dojang: RE:Young Founder the_dojang: RE: D-I-Y Cane the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #493 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #495 Re: the_dojang: RE:Young Founder the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #494 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #494 the_dojang: Call for Contributors the_dojang: International Cyber University the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DDODGE2 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:54:20 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #496 > Anybody else want to share stories about some of the assorted creeps that >have >> graced their doorways? I can't say I saw this personally but it sounds like a good way to keep the unwanted "tough guy's" away. My instructer told me a story about how his master handled a situation where a gentleman (I use the term loosely) entered his Dojang and stated that before he took lessons from the master he wanted to fight him and see how good he really was. The master who was on the phone at the time said "OK you go get ready and I'll be right out." After letting the guy wait for quite awhile the master came out of his office, walked to the front door and locked it, locking everyone inside the Dojang. When The guy who wished to "test" the master asked why he had locked the door the master replied. "Once we start I not want you get away." The "gentleman" left immediately without ever "testing" the master and never returned to bother him again. As I said I didn't witness this but boy I would have paid money to see the look on that tough guy's face. Yours in training Danny Dodge TKD Yellow Belt Hapkido White Belt ------------------------------ From: "NESSWORTHY, KEN" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:52:34 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #495 age... Ray > Look at how the Koreans train? not just 2-4 hours a week like the majority > of us but 10-12 hours per days 7 days a week, like most martial artists from > the east they are totally dedicated to their training (may have stepped on > some toes their!!!) >>Ken, do you really believe that Koreans, in Korea, train 10 to 12 hours >>each and every day? Year in and year out? >>I gotta a bridge around here somewhere... :) May be this was in the good old days... LOL Like most 'dedicated' martial artists they or should I say we train as much as we can. Ken ------------------------------ From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:36:26 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Korean training regimen Some martial artists here make me green with envy with their ability to train all out "every" day. Almost all of these are in university phys ed. programs and are working at multiple arts at once. The tendency seems to take a program which involves judo, kendo, boxing, taekwondo, general fitness (track and swimming) and in some places hapkido. Of course, this torture course is run "only" five days a week. The others are live-in students at their dojang and trade indentured servitude for more push-ups than the combined NATO forces perform in a year. Those not in these two categories, and are dedicated, tend to practice 5 days a week, for about 1 hour a day. Those who are not dedicated (by far the majority in my experience) limp in late to class (after the warm-up) about three times a week. I tend to train seven days a week due to my odd work schedule and the fact I study two arts. I find that I can keep up this pace for only so long before I absolutely must take time off. Anthony Boyd www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:53:26 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Unwanted visitors While I try not to fall into the "unwanted" category, I am often an "uninvited" visitor. The passions for the arts are often too much for me, that I just HAVE to stop by and watch if I am in the area of a school - any school! While I am not disruptive, and do not offer any comparisons or comments on techniques, teaching style, etc., I am sure someone, sometime has at least once thought, "Is THAT guy here AGAIN?" In the spirit, Mark mark.lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:36:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Young Founder <> Yes Ji Han Jae was rather young wasn't he :) Michael Rowe Ronin ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:52:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: D-I-Y Cane Dear Jennifer: Thats an interesting post you have sent. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about your project and your relationship with your martial training? a.) Since, by your admission, you have "no prior knowledge of techniques and patterns or movements with a cane" how was it that you found yourself looking for a form (of all places) on the Internet rather than attempting to locate someone who could actually teach you cane techniques? b.) Since, by your admission, you have "no prior knowledge of techniques and patterns or movements with a cane" how is it that you have sufficient experience with body movement, balance, timing and focus to presume to organize a hyung even if only for your own amusement? c.) Boredom, in my humble experience, routinely seems to be a failure on the part of the individual to identify sufficient reward or purpose in what they are doing. In American society this is usually addressed by looking around outside of oneself for something other than the Self. I would be interested to know how it is that your teacher has failed to help you deal with your hunger for novelty-- or more importantly--- failed to help you identify greater purpose in what you are doing now that you are injured? d.) There are significant areas of overlap in the cane material found in the Korean tradition and the 48" stick (jo) of the Japanese tradition.There are a number of fine resources including books and material taught in Aikido classes and I would be interested to know how it is that you don't avail yourself of this material as well? e.) Is there some reason (given the previous 4 points) that you need to give your project a Korean name? You are apparently not familiar with Korean material, are not learning your material from a Korean source, and are, in fact, pretty much making things up as you go along. Whats the connection with Korean tradition? Whats the need for a Korean title? I suppose at first glance it appears that I am working to put you on the defensive. Please know that is not my purpose. Your post is not the first such contribution that I have read about such a project and these questions I am asking are as much for you as the many other folks who are interested in fabricating material and then representing it as Korean martial tradition. Thanks for letting me use your post as a springboard for encouraging some reflection among Net members. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:32:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #493 << Is it true what I've always heard..."just tape it to the next one". The thing is obviously broken (unless I grew a another joint in my toe over the last 24 hours), but it doesn't hurt hardly at all. >> There is not much that can be done for a broken toe. Be aware that it will take eons to heal and will fail to bend for even longer. Toes are treated like fingers. You can do the same thing the ER Dr. would do: Splint or tape them... - -Cheree "Broke more toes than boards" Charmello ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:13:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #495 In a message dated 08/22/2001 9:25:15 PM EST, Creed71963 writes: << In a message dated 8/22/01 6:32:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The "other" Craig wrote, "I can stand to be corrected, as the few submission fights I've seen might interest adventurous romantic couples more then MAs....." Lemme guess...the guard, north & south, and rear mount positions are conjuring up unwholesome thoughts in your mind. Please, sir...seek professional help before it's too late. Just kidding...just kidding!!! ;) >> As for seeking help, well, it's bee years too late for that...... ^_^ But the fights I've seen (Not many, grant you) involve fighter one on top of the other, grabbing parts of the other guy, with little movement. Not impressive, IMHO. Maybe I should start reading the Kama Sutra and convince a lovely young lady that these postions are really Self defense....^_^ (Of course, any lovely young lady would probably clean my clock but good were I to make such a suggestion to them [and I've had lovely young ladies whomp on me before -- sparring, not on the street. I'm not really a drooling pervert....^_^] Afterwards, their Husband/Boyfriends would finish the job, so I'd better shut up now.....) Of course, since I don't get involved in those type of fights, I might be missing the nuances of the fighters.... Craig >> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 7:05:17 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE:Young Founder > < create > their own martial arts organization, think about how young some/many/most of > the Koreans were that started their own, very popular, MA orgs and styles. > Several were only in their late teens...>> > > Yes Ji Han Jae was rather young wasn't he :) Yep, and many others... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:55:13 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #494 Mr. Zaruba- Unfortunately, not all Martial Arts practitioners live in the respectful martial way. I have seen A, B, & C of you list. I particularly remember one incident, when I first started training in Tang Soo Do, when a group of teenagers stood outside the Dojang and made those annoying Kung Fu Theater-like noises and even made a few racially driven remarks. As I turned my head to look in disgust, my instructor yelled at me for not having the discipline and focus to block them out. That spoke volumes. I realized he was right...Internal conflict is one of those element we strive to overcome in the MA. I was bothed by their lack of respect, however, they were the one's with a problem, not I. A few weeks ago two young men walked on to the floor as I was training alone. I was somewhat intimidated, but managed to keep my composure. One began to parade around, doing some lazy round kicks. He repeatedly said, "I can whoop anyone's ass. Let me see what you've got." I handed him an introductory form and said "Uneducated people TALK, educated people DO." Handle it with dignity. If those people had any self-respect, they would not be interfering with your school. - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:59:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #494 << Antropologists are saying that the little toe will be gone in our species in the next several generations anyhow, so maybe you are taking one of the first steps (er, limps?) in the natural selection process. >> I have read this also...no one believes me. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Call for Contributors Forwarded message: Call for Contributors Berkshire Reference Works is seeking authors to write on the following two topics for the six-volume Encyclopedia of Modern Asia, Scribners, 2002: Three Revolutions 200 words April 19, 1960 Revolution 200 words Coverage of the encyclopedia includes social and cultural topics as well as contemporary issues and current events, including medicine, religion, technology, political and human rights, ethnic relations, education, family, arts, environment, sports, and cuisines. 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