From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #507 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 29 Aug 2001 Vol 08 : Num 507 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Cane the_dojang: Martial Arts, Martial Sport the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #506 the_dojang: RE: Teacher stuff the_dojang: RE: Parents and Kids the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #506 the_dojang: Martial Art or Martial Sport the_dojang: Young teachers the_dojang: Sad Day the_dojang: Energy Channels, Meridians, etc. the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:40:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Cane In a message dated 8/28/2001 10:28:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have had one of the livestock canes for more than twenty-five years, and it has served me well. BTW, I received, in a roundabout way, your letter on appreciation and healthcare. Great stuff! >> Cool! I am definitely gonna go out and find me one !!! Appreciation and Healthcare ? Could you give me another hint ? Illona ------------------------------ From: Nick McKenna Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:36:41 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Martial Arts, Martial Sport Dear All Is it possible that there's an Atlantic divide on the Art / Sport issue? There are many great Martial Art schools in the UK. I am a student of Master Johnson in Coventry (UK). Our martial art is classical Tang Soo Do (rather than "traditional"). We emphasize self-improvement rather than competition. We never attend tournaments other than a small internal tournament every year. We practice hyung, one-step, self-defense, sparring etc. Our sparring is non-contact (no pads or anything) and is designed to improve the speed and accuracy of technique rather than to score points. This type of classical Martial Art is still very popular in the UK (I wish I had some figures for comparitive analysis). I don't think it's a coincidence that it's the classical schools that last the longest in the UK either! Incidentally, I use the term "classical" rather than "traditional" because whilst we retain the same martial art spirit, the training I receive now is completely different to the training I started receiving two or three years ago! The traditions only survive as long as they are useful. Finally, check out our club web site (http://www.johnsonskarate.com). If you can, check back every week. We are currently scanning in a lot of Master Johnson's older martial arts pictures. There are some great shots from all over the world of old friends training. Tang Soo! Nick. - ----------------------------- Nick McKenna 1st Dan Johnson's Tang Soo Do http://www.johnsonskarate.com *************************************************************** The contents of this Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. 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I'm glad he has shared his wisdom and insight, and answered my questions in MA discussions he has probably had many, many times previous. You're tired of a particular subject? Skip over that post or don't respond. But please be patient with those who are seeking to add to their MA experience by participating here. (Maybe you should try the beer meditation technique that was shared not too long ago - relax!) DS ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:22:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Teacher stuff Dear Neal: ".....My first reaction was that an instructor is limited in their influence, unless the child's parents are on board. My second reaction is, just what is the responsibility of the instructor under these circumstances?...." In light of many of my previous postings, I suppose my responses will be predictable. All the same I will say that I see three issues that could be addressed. The first issue is that traditionally (in the context of Eastern martial art training) parents engaged the services of a MA teacher to help instill not only technical ability but moral and ethical strengthes and sensitivities as well. This, of course assumes that the parent remained engaged in the effort and was not just abdicating responsibility as is so often the case in Western education. Unfortunately most US parents probably see martial arts as little more than another time-structuring device to keep lil Rodney occupied and are involved in the training on a basis commensurate with that attitude. The second issue is that most instructors are much to mechanistic in their teaching approach and way too pre-occupied with running a business to attend to truely significant personal issues of their students. Perhaps some find time to be involved with whats happening with the personal lives of their students, but most simply are not so inclined. The third issue is that most instructors have do been trained sufficiently to meet these kinds of responsibilities. Some time back I was called to task about criticizing young 1st and second dans for starting their own schools, styles and arts. Your post speaks to exactly what my issue with this was and is. Running a martial art school and teaching a martial art are a lot more than just teaching Johnny or Jane to punch, kick and throw. If a person has not developed the skills and experience to meet the kind of issues you have raised, Neal, they have no business representing themselves as martial art teachers no matter how good they might be technically. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Master Frank Clay" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:00:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Parents and Kids Neal, My feeling is simple. Although the Instructor probably advertises his class as a method to instill discipline, and it is a method to do so, it is not a cure all. Further, even if it is going to work it is not going to be a one night wonder, so to speak. Me personal opinion is that parents bring their children to us, expecting us to fix the end result of bad parenting. Many of these children really just needed competent parents and did not get them. Then you have the other group who were are in fact "just plain bad kids". I guess Ritalin does not fix everything. Sincerely, Master Frank Clay www.jungdokwan.net www.americandragon.org ------------------------------ From: "Master Frank Clay" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:00:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #506 Jere: Nothing that happened on the old TKDnet should be surprising. Althoug, I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to.. I erroneously thought you were talking about your webpage... hehe. ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:32:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Martial Art or Martial Sport Dear Craig, I think it is a mistake to disparage knowledgeable teachers that choose to emphasize Art over Sport - or vice-versa. People who practice kata - People who practice sparring - People who practice randori - People who practice self-defense are usually formidable within their element. Even if proficiency in one does not translate directly into proficiency in another. IMHO each choice has benefits that prepare and enhance performance should the focus switch. My sole caveat is that the teacher be knowledgeable. Take for instance the thread recently about creating a cane form. If the person is new to Martial Arts, then perhaps a few years study in empty hand kata, jo/bo staff kata and other self-defense both empty handed and weaponed,would result in a higher quality result. To encourage just anyone with a stick to "make something up" would be irresponsible. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Loucat101@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:35:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Young teachers I was wondering, how old would you (any martial arts teachers) want a student to be before they started teaching? Would you say grade mattered if they were teaching below their own grade, eg a yellow belt teaching a white belt? I'm curious because I want to start teaching but I'm only a yellow belt and I don't want to do something wrong...obviously, I only want to be an assistant instructor, but what are your views? Louise ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:46:00 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Sad Day It is with heartfelt regret that we note the passing of another great martial artist. We send our condolences to the family and friends of Grand Master Remy Presas. His work in the martial arts stands as a lasting monument to his life. He made a difference. Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:59:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Energy Channels, Meridians, etc. For anybody in the know... In regards to the recent talk about energy channels/meridians...does "western" medicine and science recognize the existance of these channels? If so, has their existence been proven/identified through the use of modern medical technology (thermographic imaging, magnetic resonance, etc)? Any known studies that can be sited? Just curious as I am really ignorant about this subject. Craig "Can someone give me the meridian for the left pinky toe" Stovall _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:28:03 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #507 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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