From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #515 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 6 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 515 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #514 the_dojang: RE: Trying to stay in touch the_dojang: RE: Accupuncture Stuff the_dojang: Re: Testing vs. Progress Assessment the_dojang: RE: Testing vs. Progress Assessment the_dojang: Jung Do Kwan and Kwans the_dojang: HOF Re: the_dojang: RE: Trying to stay in touch Re: the_dojang: HOF the_dojang: Remy Presas (RIP) info the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Clifford Vaught" Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:41:00 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #514 Can you comment on the effectiveness of acupuncture for arthritis? I have a bad hip. I've had 2 consultations from orthopedic doctors and my only "hope" is to make it into my 50's and get a hip replacement. I thought possibly acupuncture would help. Cliff Vaught - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:29:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Acupuncture Cheree, I can tell you that acupuncture has worked for me. And I went into it very skeptical. Don't worry so much about the needles, most of them don't really hurt, except maybe the ones in your fingers and the bottoms of your feet. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> - ------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:55:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Trying to stay in touch Dear Dana: "... I know of organizations or "old guard" Grandmasters who do, but few individual Americans seem to have the same relationships to the Kwans nowadays...." I like the idea of maintaining a connection with the traditional kwan. Sadly, though, I must report that my project regarding contacting the organizations listed on Ray's roster of organizations produced nothing---zero--- zip--- goose-egg. I will also share that the various letters I have written to to the various bookstores that I was provided with (including Kyobo) likewise resulted in not one response. Of the three organizations that I wrote regarding Korean sword I can honestly say that I did garner one response, though not the one that I had hoped for. Apparently the website that I wrote to passed my address on to a Korean marketing firm who now routinely sends me spam. I keep hearing rumors about how their are wonderful traditional instructors, traditional Korean sword schools and arts, traditional kwans and so forth but if anyone else has been getting the same result as have I, I can't blame a lot of Americans for settling for whatever touted GM here in the US represents themselves as the "liaison de jour" or for even the local clown at the local McDochang and his commercial organization-of-thousands. I'm open to suggestions, and I will bet that I am not alone. BTW: Can you share with us who the old guard GM are who will cooperate in such a rapport? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:05:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Accupuncture Stuff Dear Cheree: "....I am too afraid of being turned into 'Hell Raiser's Pin Head' to try....." I would not categorize myself as a skeptic, but I thought a lot of the claims for accupuncture were exaggerated. I would like to go on record as reporting that I was pleasantly surprised. Yes, it does look a bit bizzarre scanning ones' body and seeing the needles. I even remember thinking to myself that I should be experiencing pain or at least some kind of discomfort (I didn't--- none whatsoever). I also expected that there would be some dramatic changes and I must also report that I did not experience this either. Rather, the effect was cummulative with the greatest notice taken after my third visit. It also helps to "pull your own weight" with these things and listen to the recommendations of the specialist who almost always suggests changes in diet, sleep patterns, work patterns, etc. We Americans tend to put all the responsibility on the medical field, and usually well after we have gotten ourselves into poor health. No medical intervention is going to help you in spite of yourself. Just a few odd thoughts, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:35:14 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Testing vs. Progress Assessment > From: Brian Myers > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:01:21 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Testing vs. Progress Assessment > > A few questions for the "learned" (read as experienced) members of the DD: > > 1) What system of student assessment do you prefer, Formalized Testings > (used by most major MA org.) or individual progress based promotions? > > 2) What are the benefits/downfalls of Formalized Testings? > > 3) What are benefits/downfalls of individual progress based promotion? I can actually say that I use both systems in my dojang. I watch and evaluate student progress and effort from class to class. I know who is trying to just get by and slack off and who is making an actual effort to learn and improve. I have minimum time requirements in place for each rank, but there is no maximum time. Recommendation to test is made according to performance, learning and improvement. We have standardized requirements for each rank, but I also evaluate the student based on the improvement and effort put forth. Only when a student meets my expectations in all three categories are they allowed to test. I believe you will find this to be the case in any good school. I don't even allow students to test until I am certain they are capable of passing the test and can meet my expectations. Then I require them to "pass" the test, at that point it is entirely in the hands of the student. I do not "pass" a student just because I believe they are ready, they have to prove and validate my beliefs. I do not believe it is limiting a student to require specific techniques and knowledge for each rank. If they have additional material that is fine, but the required material in my dojang forms the basis for learning the next material. It would be a great disservice, in my opinion, to not insure they are properly prepared for the next level of material do to a failure on my part to insure they had achieved a proper level of skill and a solid foundation of knowledge from which to progress. Respectfully, Richard Zaruba _______________________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba Department of Anatomy & Cell Biology University of North Dakota School of Medicine 501 North Columbia Road P.O. Box 9037 Grand Forks, ND 58202-9037 zaruba@medicine.nodak.edu 701.777.3952 office 701.777.2576 lab 701.777.2477 fax ------------------------------ From: "Ates, Michelle (ATESML)" Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:05:06 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Testing vs. Progress Assessment 1) What system of student assessment do you prefer, Formalized Testings (used by most major MA org.) or individual progress based promotions? I prefer formalized testings with intermittent pre-test. Meaning that every month the student is does not have a formalized test in front of a board they will have a pre-test over all the skills they have learned in class (both those required for the test and others). In my opinion the benefit to this is that my students know ahead of time exactly what they are doing right and what they need to work on. It also gives the student a sense of accomplishment. Since, I stress to my students that they should take everything one step at a time and ingest there martial arts training in bite sized pieces. Overall when the students then test in front of a board they are confident in knowing that they are ready because they weren't cramming on going over material (terminology, one-steps, etc.). End result they make a excellent presentation to the judges. ------------------------------ From: "Master Frank Clay" Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:05:06 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Jung Do Kwan and Kwans The Jung Do Kwan came out of the Chung Do Kwan. The difference in name is in the actual Hanguyl. Jung is missing a "tic" mark that Chung has. Jung Do Kwan was however, one of the nine kwans that made up KTA, and is headed by Grandmaster Lee, Yong Woo, Chairman of the High Dan promotions Commitee. This Kwan is what I like to call old school Taekwondo because although they do teach Kyorugi and whatnot, they also tend to train the old ways... in other words, before Taekwondo became Taekwondo, they did things in someinstances that would be called Hapkido or Yudo type techniques. Personally, I only issue Kukkiwon ranks to children who are in an Olympic Taekwondo program. Why? Because in my opinion Kukkiwon is a sports agency. I teach children sport. Its that simple. Adults, that I teach TKD to, normally get a Kwan certificate, which to me means more anyhow. But this is only my view. HEHE, I've actually been called a fake, can you guess by who?, because I prefer to issue Kwan certificates over Kukkiwon, but it really doesn't matter. I think its in persnal preference. Most of my adults study Hapkido anyhow, which of course I tend to issue a Kwan certificate there as well, unless a student wants KHF. Of course, only having taught Hapkido for the last five years or so, I have never issued a dan certificate in Hapkido. Heck, I was surprised enough to find out that people would actually partake of the training that we do in Hapkido. Just my opinions. Sincerely, Master Frank Clay Jung Do Kwan US Representative www.jungdokwan.net ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 01:12:20 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: HOF Hello Ray: We (GM Humesky and I) missed you in Orlando. Too bad. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:07:24 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: Trying to stay in touch > I like the idea of maintaining a connection with the traditional kwan. > Sadly, though, I must report that my project regarding contacting the > organizations listed on Ray's roster of organizations produced > nothing---zero--- zip--- goose-egg. I would think that should not surprise you, but perhaps it did. In some cases it took me a visit or two to Korea to begin a slow building relationship. In other cases it took a few years of sending contact notes and letters before making any progress. Can you imagine just how many flakes they get trying to correspond with them each and every week? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:08:43 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: HOF > Hello Ray: > We (GM Humesky and I) missed you in Orlando. Too bad. > Sincerely, Rudy Would have been fun, and an honor. But family matters prevailed. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:24:27 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Remy Presas (RIP) info Forwarded message, from the Modern Arnis group... On Saturday, September 8, 2001, The Professor's body will be transported by Plane to Manila, Philippines. There will be a Hero's welcome and parade to the city from the airport to a public viewing location for a three day public viewing. The body will then be transported to Bacalod, the Professor's home, for final services and burrial. Services in the Philippines are being coordinated by Shishir Inocalla, President, Modern Arnis Philippines, with assistance from PIGSAI, Department of Tourism. The Professor's body will be transported on Philippine Airlines flight 107 Departing From Vancouver 11:10pm Saturday, September 8 and will arrive in Manila 4:10 am Mon Sept 10 Pacific time. Those who are interested in traveling in the same plane can either call Oscar Travel at 604-879-0914 or call Shishir Inocalla with thier name and Passport number. The Ticket is $1,100 Can and $713 US. If you would like to attend services in the Philippines please contact the following people: Shishir Inocalla, Pres. Modern Arnis Philippines, Dir. PIGSAI VP IAF Cell 604-861-8085, Studio 604-872-4501, Home, 604-261-5119, e-mail: inocallashir2@aol.com In the Philippines Contact: PIGSAI Department of Tourism, Rm 508, Eng. Dion Diaz - Deputy Manager Tel 632-524-1971 or 632-524-2997 e-mail: scheche@hotmail.com Or e-mail: agminfra@philtourism.com. Modern Arnis Phil., 2531 G. del Pilar St. Singalong, Manila Phil 632-522-7511 632-523-5067 Or Contact: Remy Presas Jr. Phd 460 de Guzman St. Quiapo, Manila. Philippines 1001 Tel. 632-733-9339 e-mail: gmpresas1stfamily@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:03:39 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #515 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.