From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #517 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 7 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 517 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Testing vs. Progress Assessment the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #516 the_dojang: re: dizziness the_dojang: Re: Direct Kwan connections the_dojang: Testing the_dojang: Summer Camp the_dojang: Re: dizziness/spin kicks the_dojang: Testing vs. Progress Assessment the_dojang: Someone trying to defraud A GM? the_dojang: Physical Training the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Sears" Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:15:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Testing vs. Progress Assessment > > From: Brian Myers > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:01:21 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Testing vs. Progress Assessment > > A few questions for the "learned" (read as experienced) members of the DD: > > 1) What system of student assessment do you prefer, Formalized Testings > (used by most major MA org.) or individual progress based promotions? > > > 2) What are the benefits/downfalls of Formalized Testings? > > 3) What are benefits/downfalls of individual progress based promotion? > > ...snip... > I have been a student of both methods, the ATA uses Formalized testing, and > my Aiki-Jutsu instructor used the individual approach. While I can somewhat > understand the idea behind adding a little pressure at "testing" and > therefore making the "action under pressure" more realistic, I think this > system fails the students in a couple of ways. First, in most systems that > use the Formal Testings, a student is then limited in the techniques he or > she is taught at any particular rank. This does not seem to be the case in > the individual system. Also, because the students know that they are not > being evaluated at every practice they may tend to "slack off" and adopt a > "well atleast I showed up." attitude. In the individual system each student > would seem to be more motivated to put 110% into every practice, and really > pay attention during every session. > I'm also in the ATA and we do regularly scheduled testings. However, I tell my students that the testing itself is more of a public demonstration of skills. The hard part is getting my permission to test. If I give that, I'm sending a clear signal that I think they are ready for the next rank and I want them to go out and show everyone that they are. That's not to say they will automatically promote. If they hose the testing, they have to live with the consequences of their actions. My students test for their next rank every time they walk through the door. The "well atleast I showed up" guys that you mentioned (and we've all had our share of them) usually get a real shock when I tell them they can't test because they're not ready. "Well, I was here for every class," is usually what I get told, and my stock answer is, "Your body was, but your spirit wasn't." I guess I'm probably a hybrid. When we grade the testing, I always say the judges have a discretionary 10 points based on the student's performance during the testing cycle. And those points can be either plus or minus. ------------------------------ From: Meteor2000@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:18:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #516 In a message dated 9/7/01 6:59:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: "Dizzy S." Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:30:58 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Kun Gek Do << Hiya all. How was everyone's Labor Day? I hope it was safe and fun for everyone :o) Can anyone give me info (websites, general info, ect) on Kun Gek Do? I found one of my instructors (Mr. Kim) from my previous school. I quit because the master instructor was a....... (long story). Mr. Kim left because of the same reason I did, and started his own school. The style is Kun Gek Do. I know it's very similar to TSD, because I sat in on a coupla classes. KGD uses some forms from TSD, but there's ones they mixed up in between the TSD forms that I didn't know (except the first one from previous training in KGD). The same goes for the one-steps and self defence (which was lacking in the old school!). I know KGD is not popular at all. But any info will be helpful. Thanks in advance. Tang Soo! Dizzy www.imahq.net >> Dizzy, write to Hank Murphy the writer of some of the very first Tang Soo Do books printed in English. He is the director of the American Kungek-Do Association and the representative for both the Korea KGD Association and the International Kungek-Do Federation. He should be able to explain the relationship of Tang Soo Do and why the Kungek-Do was formed in Korea by Jeang Do Mo the founder. His address is email: hmurphf@aol.com he had a site URL: <> Bobby ------------------------------ From: Arlene Slocum Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:55:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: dizziness I not only get dizzy, but get queasy in the stomach when doing repeated spin kicks. I have found that if I turn my head faster than the rest of my body and focus on the target (kind of like those ice skaters that do the spins) it reduces the dizzy effect. Also, as I gain experience I am picking up speed and gain stability in my pivot foot. The faster you spin, the less time your brain has to think about the fact you are spinning and it also reduces the effect. This may be why I have noticed that less experienced students suffer dizziness worse than the experienced ones. The activity that is hardest for me when it comes to dizziness isn't a kick - - it's when we do "log rolls" (roll on your side with legs extended like you are a log) in hapkido. Arlene Slocum Rec. 2nd Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School Lawrence, Kansas ArleneS@geoaccess.com ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:57:33 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Direct Kwan connections Piotr wrote ... >No one does it here in Poland. I don`t know of any Kwan related schools in >other East European countries. This is I believe mostly because martial >arts are usually controlled by the government (the Ministry of >Sports)....but unless you are not a member of the WTF, ITF or GTF bodies >here, you can`t get a national instructor`s licence (the licences are the >same in all sports, from archery to swimming and from football to TKD). That is interesting Piotr, thanks for sharing. Different ways of doing things in different counties. It was also the intent of the WTF to eliminate the name of the Kwans and unite them under Kukki-Taekwondo. This has been more effective in some places than others. >Besides: When I started TKD, nobody here knew about any Kwan. Then I >trained for a couple of years in the ITF, so I think I would be Oh Do Kwan. >Then I joined our national WTF federation and the technical director of >this group is from Chung Do Kwan. One of the masters I recpect most, a >person I invited to several seminars and a person I learned a lot (but >still not enough) from comes from TKD Chang Moo Kwan and in Hapkido, from >the Sun Moo Kwan. So what Kwan I am really from ;) ? It is my understanding that the Kwans are like a social club/family. You are either part of that family, and/or by virtue of WTF policy, or not. Like Ray said, the relationship needs to be formed. They do occasionally adopt outsiders to propagate their Kwan in some areas/countries. Thanks again...interesting! Dana _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Testing Dear List, I use a formalized test with progressive required techniques. Almost all students will know some "xtra credit" regardless of if i ask to see it on test nite. I guess i'm like others on the list in my use of the hybrid individual progress method, in that no one is invited to test until they have convinced me in regular class that they know the minimum required material and meet all other requirements (time in, number of classes, etc.). the test is their chance to see how they respond to pressure...for this reason, i almost allways ask to see something that isn't a requirement, just to see how they respond. Now for 9th, 8th and to a certain extent 7th gup promotions time in and number of classes are "softly" enforced... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Summer Camp Dear Ray, Thanks in advance for the bandwidth..... It's not too late to register for the First Annual Moja Kwan Moo Do Camp geared towards us Kick-punch TSD/TKD guys. September 22, 2001 from 9am-5pm in Canton, Georgia (45 miles NW of Atlanta airport). Open to all ranks with special sessions on Dan forms (hyungs). Cost for adult non AAU member is $60 and $40 for AAU member. Non-AAU members will be registered for the 2001/02 competition season... I'm honored to have Master Rich Hodder of the USKMAF flying into Hotlanta as a special guest instructor. Planned sessions include sparring skills, WTF and MDK (TSD/SBD) hyungs, and weapons (knife and escrima). registration forms can be obtained by sending me your email address and i will reply with an MSWord attatchment. send me an email with a fax number, send me an email with your snail mail address, or call 770.345.8027 Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:57:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: dizziness/spin kicks In a message dated 9/7/2001 8:59:15 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Dear List Members: I was curious if any of you have noticed a difference in the amount of dizziness students experience when doing spinning kicks. It seems to me that different spinning kicks produce differing levels of dizziness and that each student suffers from it more or less intensely. Does the dizziness ever go away completely? Are some students more susceptible to dizziness than others? Anthony Boyd www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo >> hi anthony, about 8 years ago i found out a friend of mine used to be a professional figure skater. my first question was, "how the heck do you do those spins and not get dizzy?". her reply was that all skaters do get dizzy, in varying degrees, but you get used to it. in my experience, it's been the same for martial artists doing spinning kicks. it's natural for each of us to react physically (dizziness) to our bodies spinning around. over a period of time, however, many of us tend to get used to the motion and it is no longer disorienting. one thing about a beginning martial artist is that their technique tends to not be as fluid (unless, of course, theyre just a natural :). i would think that the jerkiness and imbalance of a new spinning kicker would accentuate the feeling of dizziness or light-headedness felt. as their technique, balance, and fluidity improve, their body reacts accordingly. just my 2 cents, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships ------------------------------ From: "Alagna, Steven M" Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:58:58 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Testing vs. Progress Assessment Hi All, Something we do at our school to track progress along the way before the formalized group test is giving out tape applied to the end of the belt with set colors signifying a level of proficiency, but not mastery, of their belt-level form (yellow tape), one-steps (blue tape), kicking combinations (green tape), sparring (brown tape), and dedication/attendance/respect etc. (red tape). Our curriculum also includes what we call control/restraint techniques (holds, joint-locks) and self-defense techniques such as escapes from various chokes and holds. Steven M. Alagna ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:34:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Someone trying to defraud A GM? This was on rma earlier, and to me, thi doesn't seem legit. Is this thing for real, or is someone trying to cash in on this GM's name? ************ Subject: Ultimate Martial Arts Cd Discount From: ted gambordella drted@wwwin.com Date: 09/07/2001 12:01 PM EST Message-id: <3B98FDBD.5C8A7D37@wwwin.com> Sirs: I am Grandmaster Dr. Ted Gambordella and I have 25 complete books and 2 hours of video on a CD, pdf files that I would like to offer to your subscribers at a great discount. The CD normally sells for $29.95, but I can give you readers a $10 Discount. So they can buy at $19.95 Please check the books out at http://www.wwwin.com Please let me know if you are interested. Grandmaster Ted Gambordella *********** Craig ------------------------------ From: DDODGE2 Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:31:16 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Physical Training Hello Digest Readers, I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a good source of information on physical fitness training for TKD tournament competition? I hope to attend my first tournament in about a year and want to be physically prepared. I train at my Dojang 6 days a week on the following schedule. Monday 2 hours in TKD Tuesday 1 hour in TKD 1 hour in Hapkido Wednesday 2 hours in TKD Thursday 1 hour in TKD, 1 hour in Hapkido Friday 2 hours in TKD Saturday 1 hour in TKD, 1 hour Sparring I also spend about an hour a day weightlifting and run/jog 6 days a week. The Dojang training is fine but the weightlifting/running is a regiment I've set up myself and not being a professional trainer I don't know if I'm doing the correct exercises not to mention if I'm doing them enough or using the correct amount of weight. I found a website once that had a training and diet schedule for Olympic TKD training but have lost the link and can't find it again. At 32 I'm not trying to make the olympic team or anything but I would like to be in the best physical condition possible. I am a stay at home dad and have about 6-8 hours a day I can dedicate to training. Danny Dodge ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 15:51:49 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #517 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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