From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #526 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 12 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 526 In this issue: the_dojang: Tragedy: Prevention Thoughts the_dojang: Re: Ed Sell awarded 9th dan KKW the_dojang: Pentagon Update= 2210 hours, 12 Sep 01 the_dojang: re: NOSTRADAMUS' PREDICTION ON WWIII the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Groff" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:59:56 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Tragedy: Prevention Thoughts >>If this is true, what a great thing these men did. But, I wonder if all the planes were told this, why someone else did not >>stand up and try. Let's face it, there were more passengers than terrorists on board, and if told they were to die, what did >>they have to lose by trying to prevent or avert the coming tragedy. The problem is most people react with shock and disbelief in a hijack situation like this. "What?? This Can't be Happening!", "It must be a joke...I'll just wait a minute till it passes...", "I'll be O.K. as long as I shut up & wait for them to land this thing in Kabul, or Cuba, or wherever..." Let's face it, none of us has ever taken a class in "Rational Civilian Responses to In-Flight Terrorist Action". Most people have NO IDEA how to weigh the risks of an unusual bad situation like a hijacking, let alone react. I'd like to know if any fellow list members have done something similar to this: My other half and I are both in high-risk occupations which include considerable interaction with the public. We have discusses in depth what path to take in various unikely emergency circumstances and the probable consequences of those paths. We have concluded that in any kind of hostange situation, hijacking, or attempted assault/sexual assault, our responses should be gauged through the same guarded view: "I'm probably going to die anyway, I might as well take the maximum risk. If I am killed as a consequence, so be it." Having taken this view, it becomes easy to tenor an all out response and not be too disappointed in the consequences whatever they are. In any case you'll inspire others to act. This situation has opened many eyes. When have we ever considered that an aircraft might be comandeered and used not simply to remove a terrorist to an unscheduled destination, but as a bomb filled with innocent passengers (jet fuel...very volatile). Certainly in the future, people will begin to adopt the idea of fighting in spite of death, not content to allow passivity to lead to more horrendus consequences for those who might added to the death toll. The fellas on the plane that went down near Pittsburgh are the perfect example. We have a few folks who decided that if they were going to die, they might as well go out on their own terms and to hell with whatever these heartless usurpers had planned. Maybe that is why we still have the White House to gaze upon. Thoughts, anyone? We Will Not Be Intimidated. Best Wishes, C.J. Hardman Shin Ki Kan Dojo Community Karate ~Pro-Bono~ ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:42:35 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ed Sell awarded 9th dan KKW Congratulations to GM SEll for attaining his 9th dan Kukkiwon. I understand that he had been training for this test for a while. I also believe he is the first native American to receive it. A welcome beginning for American Taekwondoin. Congrats again! D _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Pentagon Update= 2210 hours, 12 Sep 01 Date: 12 Sep 01. Time: 2210 hours (10:10 pm) Location: Pentagon Brief Comments: Staying away from the political comments. - - The fires have been put out in the affected Pentagon Wedge. - - President Bush has visited to boost morale and thank workers and volunteers. - - We are on 24 hour shifts. - - The Salvation Army is making "hot cooked" meals to rescue workers. - - All bags are checked when entering the Pentagon. - - Building was temporarily evacuated today due to potential spreading fire. - - Many tireless workers, volunteers, and support groups. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Pratt" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:22:29 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: re: NOSTRADAMUS' PREDICTION ON WWIII Forwarding fYI - lets not get overly irrational.... http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm It's a hoax, nothing like that is ever said by Nostradamus At 08:53 AM 9/13/01, Andrew Pratt wrote: >Apparently there was a warning about the attack but it was ignored: > > >NOSTRADAMUS' PREDICTION ON WWIII Henny (Lee Hae Kang) - ----------------------------- Feel free to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666) http://www.henny-savenije.demon.nl (in English) In Korean http://www.henny-savenije.demon.nl/indexk2.htm In Dutch http://www.henny-savenije.demon.nl/Dutch Frits Vos Article about Witsen and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary http://www.henny-savenije.demon.nl/FritsVos Korea through Western Cartographic eyes http://www.crosswinds.net/~hennysavenije/ (in English) http://odin.prohosting.com/savenije/index.htm#bovenaan (mirror site from crosswinds) Hwasong the fortress in Suwon http://www.geocities.com/hennysavenije The way a ship was rigged: http://www.henny-savenije.demon.nl/shiprigg.htm ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:38:37 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #526 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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