From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #527 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 13 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 527 In this issue: the_dojang: [Fwd: Tribute to America] the_dojang: A Way to Help the_dojang: Re: Testing Question the_dojang: Severe Ankle Sprain the_dojang: Re: the odds the_dojang: Re: Tragedy Prevention Thoughts the_dojang: Worldwide Caution the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bredfield Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:01:48 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: [Fwd: Tribute to America] Hope you're not receiving too many of these today...just thought this was done very well and says it all. > >TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > > > > This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth sharing. > > > > America: The Good Neighbor. > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given > > recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from > > Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > > commentator. What follows is the full text of his > > trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional > > > > Record: > > > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the > > Americans as the most generous and possibly the least > > appreciated people on all the earth. > > > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and > > Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the > > Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > > forgave other billions in debts. None of these > > countries is today paying even the interest on its > > remaining debts to the United States. > > > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it > > was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward > > was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of > > Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United > > States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 > > American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > > Nobody helped. > > > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped > > billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now > > newspapers in those countries are writing about the > > decadent, warmongering Americans. > > > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is > > gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar > > build its own airplane. Does any other country in the > > world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the > > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why > > don't they fly them? Why do all the International > > lines except Russia fly American Planes? > > > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting > > a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese > > technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German > > technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about > > American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - > > not once, but several times and safely home again. > > > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs > > right in the store window for everybody to look at. > > Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. > > They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless > > they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American > > dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. > > > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were > > breaking down through age, it was the Americans who > > rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the > > New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an > > old caboose. Both are still broke. > > > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to > > the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me > > even one time when someone else raced to the Americans > > in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even > > during the San Francisco earthquake. > > > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one > > Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get > > kicked around. They will come out of this thing with > > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled > > to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating > > over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one > > of those." > > > > Stand proud, America! ------------------------------ From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:22:28 EDT Subject: the_dojang: A Way to Help For those of you who own studios here in the U.S., please consider making your facilities available to the Red Cross as an emergency blood donation site. Unlike most other businesses, our schools have open floor space which can be easily accessed for this purpose. When I spoke to our local Red Cross chapter to offer use of our school, I learned that auxiliary sites like ours may be used in the evening, afternoon and evening, or for a whole day. I am not sure of their procedures, but in our case, we will be called in the next day or two to be told if and when our school will be used. You can locate your Red Cross chapter by visiting their website at www.redcross.org or by using your phone book. Getting through on the main nationally publicized number may be difficult, so trying your local chapter first is recommended. Sharon ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:53:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Testing Question Dear Danny: "....but this is not related to my question...." Very sorry. Perhaps I misunderstood your original post. I was sure that I read that you were interested to know if one should be tested over everything that they had learned or only over that portion since the prior test. My response was my way of answering that question. My mistake. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Gassiot" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:11:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Severe Ankle Sprain Anyone have experience with really bad ankle spains? I wasn't even = training at the time, just stepping of my tractor. It's about a 2' step = and I stepped into a small hole with the ball of my foot and my ankle = went to the outside. I did all the normal stuff elevation, ice, = compression.... that was all six weeks ago. Now I get periodic = shoots/sparks of pain in my ankle. I get a great deal of relief wearing = some hi-tech military type boots because put pressure and support on my = ankle. This week I felt a small "floating" piece of something in my = ankle. So I made an appointment. Going to the doc tomorrow, wish me luck! I also have a small numb spot on the bottom of my foot now. Anyone that has experienced this and has information would be helpful. Regards, DREW ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:14:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: the odds > From: "John Groff" > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:59:56 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: Tragedy: Prevention Thoughts > > I'd like to know if any fellow list members have done something similar to > this: My other half and I are both in high-risk occupations which include > considerable interaction with the public. We have discusses in depth what > path to take in various unikely emergency circumstances and the probable > consequences of those paths. We have concluded that in any kind of > hostange situation, hijacking, or attempted assault/sexual assault, our > responses should be gauged through the same guarded view: "I'm probably > going to die anyway, I might as well take the maximum risk. If I am killed > as a consequence, so be it." Having taken this view, it becomes easy to > tenor an all out response and not be too disappointed in the consequences > whatever they are. In any case you'll inspire others to act. > > This situation has opened many eyes. When have we ever considered that an > aircraft might be comandeered and used not simply to remove a terrorist to > an unscheduled destination, but as a bomb filled with innocent passengers > (jet fuel...very volatile). Certainly in the future, people will begin to > adopt the idea of fighting in spite of death, not content to allow > passivity to lead to more horrendus consequences for those who might added > to the death toll. The fellas on the plane that went down near Pittsburgh > are the perfect example. We have a few folks who decided that if they were > going to die, they might as well go out on their own terms and to hell with > whatever these heartless usurpers had planned. Maybe that is why we still > have the White House to gaze upon. > I got similar responses from others re: shock and such and that is true. It is just like the reaction to a mugging or random shooting, "it can't be happening". I like the BB magazine's contributor who is a cop and writes about preparing yourself for such an emergency so that freezing doesn't become the only option you have. My personal opinion from all the crimes and descriptions in the media, is that people who rape or mug are close to killingtheir victims, so fighting back may give you a chance. Spunky ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:25:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tragedy Prevention Thoughts In a message dated 9/12/01 11:10:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Certainly in the future, people will begin to adopt the idea of fighting in spite of death, not content to allow passivity to lead to more horrendus consequences for those who might added to the death toll. >> This morning there was a report on CSpan about the airline pilots saying they will no longer negotiate with terrorists. In the past, when the hi-jackers were political, it was safer to negotiate and they could often bring the situation to a non-violent conclusion. The pilots were quoted today as saying nobody was ever coming into their cabins again and they had no intention of allowing their planes and passengers to be used by fanatics. I think planes should have firewalls built between the pilots and the cabin and the door between should be electronically closed until the plane is on the ground. Or better yet, separate sections with separate doors for pilots and the cabin would insure that no unauthorized person could get to the controls. But until we have this new situation in place, it's good to know there are people like those on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. Once again, Americans standing together made a difference. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 8:57:51 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Worldwide Caution Forwarded message: PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE Office of the Spokesman Worldwide Caution September 12, 2001 The events of September 11 at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and Somerset, Pennsylvania, serve as a cruel reminder of the continuing threat from terrorists and extremist groups to Americans and American interests worldwide. This situation remains fluid and American citizens should be aware of the potential risks and to take these into consideration when making travel plans. The Department will continue to develop information about potential threats to Americans overseas and to share credible threat information through its Consular Information Program documents available on the Internet at http://www.travel.state.gov. As the U.S. Government has reported in Public Announcements over the last several months, U.S. citizens and interests abroad may be at increased risk of terrorist actions from extremist groups. Most recently, we advised that we had unconfirmed information that terrorist actions may be taken against U.S. military facilities and/or establishments frequented by U.S. military personnel in Korea and Japan. In addition, we continue to be concerned about information we received in May 2001 that American citizens may be the target of a terrorist threat from extremist groups with links to Usama Bin Ladin's Al-Qaida organization. In the past, such individuals have not distinguished between official and civilian targets. We take this information seriously. In light of the above information, U.S. Government facilities worldwide remain at a heightened state of alert. U.S. citizens are urged to maintain a high level of vigilance and to increase their security awareness. Americans should maintain a low profile, vary routes and times for all required travel, and treat mail and packages from unfamiliar sources with suspicion. American citizens are also urged to avoid contact with any suspicious, unfamiliar objects, and to report the presence of the objects to local authorities. Vehicles should not be left unattended and should be kept locked at all times. U.S. Government personnel overseas have been advised to take the same precautions. U.S. citizens planning to travel abroad should consult the Department of State's Public Announcements, Travel Warnings, Consular Information Sheets, and regional travel brochures, all of which are available at the Consular Affairs Internet website at http://travel.state.gov. We will continue to provide updated information should it become available. American citizens overseas may contact the American Citizens Services unit of the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate by telephone or fax for up-to-date information on security conditions. American citizens in need of emergency assistance should telephone the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate before visiting there. U.S. Government facilities have and will continue to temporarily close or suspend public services as necessary to review their security posture and ensure its adequacy. In those instances, U.S. Missions will make every effort to provide emergency services to American citizens. In addition to information on the Internet, U.S. travelers may hear recorded information by calling the Department of State in Washington, D.C. at 202-647-5225 from their touch-tone telephone, or receive information by automated telefax by dialing 202-647-3000 from their fax machine. This Public Announcement supersedes the Public Announcement - Worldwide Caution of September 7, 2001, to inform U.S. citizens of of our continued concern about safety and security overseas in light of the events of September 11. This Public Announcement expires on March 12, 2002. *********************************************************** See http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html for State Department Travel Warnings ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 8:58:53 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #527 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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