From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #529 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 14 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 529 In this issue: the_dojang: Female Instructors the_dojang: RE: Testing stuff the_dojang: eskrima: From Tuhon McGrath the_dojang: tae-guk poomse online ? the_dojang: Testing the_dojang: News article the_dojang: Re: war the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Prince Loeffler" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:57:08 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Female Instructors Can Women Instructors Teach Men student Self defense effectively? I've had female instructors in the past and I do not have any complaint or objections at all. But then again I never had the previledge of being taught self defense by a female instructor. ( By the way Self Defense to me means ..Grabs, Holds, Rape, Knife attack and other realistic life threatening scenarios, I am NOT talking about sparring, Basics or Katas ). This question was raised by one of my male student who was studying under a female instructor. My response as always is that Martial Arts does not discriminate between sexes. We can learn from anyone regardless its coming from a "He" or "She". So I am just curious as to what the majority of people in this list thinks. Thanking everyone again in Advance P. Loeffler ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:14:11 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Testing stuff Hello, I test my students over all the material they have learned from white belt up. I believe this is the policy of my association as well. I have been to a tkd schools that only tested over the material for a single rank. About half of the students couldn't remember their white belt form but they could sure do their red belt form. I have never been to or seen a KSW or HKD school that only tested over the material needed just for the present rank. Respectfully, Rich ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:11:15 PDT Subject: the_dojang: eskrima: From Tuhon McGrath Long, but good, IMHO. From the Eskrima-digest (ED) list... Ray Forwarded message: I received a call today from a ED member. He told me that several people had expressed concern on the digest as to my safety knowing that I am a NYS court officer. I'm fine. For the last few years I have been assigned to a courthouse about two hours north of the WTC. We did lose three of our officers though. They were from one of our Manhattan facilities who went to give aid after the first tower fell and were caught when the second tower collapsed. I knew one of those guys. We went through firearms instructor school together. A real gentleman and class act. He was a captain, but you wouldn't know it unless you saw his ID. He treated the rest of us as equals during the training. We went to dinner a few times together. I remember him talking about his kids with great pride. I can see him being one of the first out the door to offer help as soon as he heard what happened. In addition, I am still waiting to hear back from two students who work in the area. I needed to blow off some steam, so I wrote a letter to my reps in congress. I would like to share it with you. Perhaps you would consider writing your own congressmen and senators to let them know how you feel and what you would like done. Please pray for the families of the victims of Tuesday's attack. Tuhon Bill McGrath Dear Congresswoman Kelly, Let me preface my remarks by saying that I am a NYS Senior Court Officer. I am a defensive tactics and firearms instructor for my agency and have worked the metal detector detail at several court facilities. Last night I heard the Secretary of Transportation say that security procedures at US airports were going to receive a complete overhaul, including the banning of all knives and increasing standards for security screening personnel. What worries me is that the Transportation Secretary is ordering procedures that would have had no affect on Tuesday's hijackings. It is becoming increasingly clear that getting the weapons on board the four aircraft was a coordinated inside job perpetrated by people who were (or had the false ID cards to pretend to be), members of the night maintenance or cleaning crews at two separate airports. Only if we did what El Al does, namely keep two plain clothed and armed security men on board every single flight, could we have prevented these four hijackings. We need to bring back the Sky Marshal program in full force (The program still exists, but not in its previous numbers). Currently, Federal law enforcement officers can carry their firearms on board domestic flights, but the paperwork process they must go through to notify the pilot that they are bringing a loaded firearm on board is cumbersome (and the time I witnessed it, was handled by the flight attendant in such a way that notified anyone within earshot that an armed Federal agent was coming aboard). Perhaps this process can be streamlined to encourage more Federal officers to fly armed. It will take a great deal of time and money to bring the Sky Marshal program up to its former levels and even more time and money to bring it up to El Al levels. In the interim, perhaps other airlines could do what Continental Airlines already does in Texas. Currently, any Texas law enforcement officer flying within the state of Texas can carry his loaded firearm concealed on his person when flying on Continental Airlines. Perhaps this concept could be expanded to all U.S. law enforcement officers on all domestic flights. There is ammunition available that is designed specifically for use on board aircraft to reduce the risk of damage to the aircraft should a round miss its intended target and officers could be required to have this ammunition in their weapons while flying. The Trans-Sec is going to have a hard time preventing a terrorist from getting a knife aboard an airliner. Having worked the metal detector detail at several court facilities I can emphatically state that these devices are very limited in what they can accomplish. Any terrorist with even a cursory knowledge of their function can get a variety of knives past a metal detector ("metal detector" is a misnomer. They detect a limited number of metals having very specific properties). The news media has already mentioned hard plastic, ceramic and titanium knives that are for sale that can not be detected by a metal detector. But even if we were to ban such items, making a knife is such a simple process (ask any corrections officer) that the only way for such a ban to be even partially effective would be to ban the sale and confiscate from existing private stock ALL items made from hard plastic, ceramic and titanium, etc. The only way to be 100% sure that a passenger is not bringing a weapon on board an aircraft is to not only x-ray his luggage, but to x-ray the passenger himself (such technology is being used on a limited basis at U.S. airports, but to use it on each and every passenger on each and every flight would be prohibitively time consuming and expensive). Another problem is that no matter the security level we bring U.S. airports up to, that will not stop a group of terrorists from getting on board a plane in a third world country with poor security and hijacking the plane once in U.S. airspace. There were apparently two reasons the four planes hijacked on Tuesday were boarded by the terrorists from U.S. airports. One was that the plan seemed to require that the planes crash within a short time of each other and the other was that the planes had to be full of fuel to cause as much destruction as they did. However there is nothing we can do in the way of increasing airport security unilaterally within the U.S. that will prevent a single plane flying in from overseas from being hijacked and crashed into a target in the U.S. Unless every single airport in the world is brought to the levels of security we are proposing for U.S. airports, nothing we can do here will prevent a future terrorist group from using a plane bound for the U.S. as a flying bomb. There is a better solution and I believe President Bush is looking in this direction. In past administrations there seemed to be a tendency to think of tactical solutions to problems like these when we should be thinking strategically. We often had a tendency to add better locks to our doors after a burglary, when what we should have been doing was increasing the penalties for burglary. In the 70's we responded to gunpoint airplane hijacking by screening passengers for guns with metal detectors. When terrorists found that they couldn't get in the front door, they simply went around to the back door and began to place bombs in checked-in luggage. Instead of being kidnapped to a foreign country for a few days, passengers were now being blown out of the sky. We then increased security screening for all aircraft luggage. "Well, if you can't get a bomb on board a plane why not turn the plane itself into a bomb", one terrorist planner must have thought and Tuesday we saw the result. In the past, when we have identified the organizations responsible for these atrocities, we went after the surviving foot soldiers, arresting them as if they were domestic criminals and went after their foreign leaders with "surgical" strikes. I honestly don't see much deterrent value in threatening a suicide bomber with imprisonment or death. Do we really think the Osama Bin Ladens of the world are afraid to die? Unfortunately the only deterrent effect we have available to us is with the governments and people of the countries hosting these terrorist organizations. The hard reality of the situation is that the only long term deterrent to terrorism is to make our retaliatory strikes so utterly devastating to any country harboring terrorists that the government and people of those countries will expel or crush any terrorist organization in its infancy rather than face the wrath of the United States. While you may find a handful of men in a city willing to commit suicide for a cause, you won't find a whole city willing to do so. President Bush needs to make it unmistakably clear through military action in the coming weeks that, that is precisely the choice the people and governments who harbor terrorists make when they allow such men to operate from their country. In the meantime, there is one thing President Bush can do immediately to "stick it" to the terrorists and their supporters. One of the stated reasons Islamic terrorists attack the United States is our support of Israel. I would like President Bush to send this message to these terrorists: "Each time you attack us, not only will we do something far worst to you via our military, but we will do something good for Israel." I would like to see the President announce that he is ordering the move of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem immediately and tell the world that he is doing so in response to the WTC and Pentagon attacks. Sincerely yours Bill McGrath Fishkill, NY ------------------------------ From: "Eliasson, Johan" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:22:29 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: tae-guk poomse online ? Hi! Do you know of any site online where I can find descriptions (preferably pictures) of IL-JANG ? Best regards, J. ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:51:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Testing Along the lines of whether or not testing should be comprehensive (I believe it should be comprehensive), or just recently learned material: The question I have is, should testing requirements be adjusted for a student based on a *temporary* condition that may prevent fully performing the documented requirements of the specific rank? OR, should the student wait until they are fully able to perform the documented requirements? Not that I am minimizing any situation or individual, but just to understand various viewpoints. For example, if I was scheduled for testing today, and I still haven't fully recovered from a dislocated shoulder from weeks ago (been there, twice), should my test be modified? Should I expect my instructor to adjust? Should I ask? Should I not test? Other examples include, but are not limited to: - - surgery - - pregnancy - - sprains - - breaks - - dislocations - - etc....??? What are the pros/cons of modification/strick adherence to requirements? In the spirit, Mark mark.lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: Janet Moore Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:57:15 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: News article > This is an article from THE DETROIT FREE PRESS ... Thought you'd like to > read. > > **************************************************************************** > > Leonard Pitts Jr.: Hateful attack won't hurt us as it will you > > September 12, 2001 > > BY LEONARD PITTS JR. > > They pay me to tease shades of meaning from social and cultural issues, to > provide words that help make sense of that which troubles > the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting > disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words > that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this > suffering. > > You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard. > > What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World > Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we > would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed. > > Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause. > > Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve. > > Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together. > > We are a family > > Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a > family rent by racial, cultural, political and class division. > We're frivolous, yes. > > We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and > material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life > with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, > though -- peace-loving and compassionate. And we are, the > overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and > loving God. > > Perhaps you think that any or all of this makes us weak. We are not weak. > > Yes, we're in pain now. We're still grappling with the unreality of the > awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand > that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster. > > Both in terms of the awful scope of its ambition and the probable final > death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts > of terrorism in the history of the United States and indeed, the history of > the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before. > > But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us > fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow. > When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When > provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, > pay any cost in the pursuit of justice. > > Sad, but determined > > In days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers > pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and > what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be > heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. > We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined. > > You see, there is steel beneath this velvet. That aspect of our character is > seldom understood by people who don't know us well. > On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will > weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will > rise in defense of all that we cherish. > > Still, I keep wondering what it was you hoped to teach us. Maybe you just > wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. > > If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in > exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know > what we're about. You don't know what you just started. > > But you're about to learn. ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:15:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: war Rudy wrote: << As a Canadian, I have contacted the leaders of my country. I EXPECT them to do nothing less that they would if we ourselves had been attacked. If we must make sacrifices, so be it. War has been declared, and it has been declared against humanity. My American friends, let us know how we can best help you, but know this -- you are NOT alone. >> Rudy, Many thanks to you guys in Canada for helping us out on Tuesday by accepting diverted planes - that was heroic because I'm certain no one could be sure there wouldn't be more trouble on other planes. And thanks for the understanding that it's not just us, but all civilization that has been attacked. We don't often say the words, but your country is a good friend and we appreciate it. Sally ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 7:47:19 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #529 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.