From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #530 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 14 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 530 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Canadian editorial the_dojang: Re: Female instructors the_dojang: Give Humanity A Break! the_dojang: RE: Prepare for the long-term the_dojang: Re: Rank Testing Re: the_dojang: Re: Rank Testing the_dojang: several responses the_dojang: [Fwd: Candle Lighting] the_dojang: Candles burning the_dojang: Re: Testing stuff the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:33:15 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Canadian editorial Just for your info, the Gordon sinclari editorial is nearly 25 years old. Gordon died in 1984. It is quite famous and has been copied a lot, and I do not know if any Canadian newspapers have run it again, or if it is just being passed around again. It is a good piece though. Thinking of those lost, praying for the rescue workers and victims families, Alain ------------------------------ From: "C. Sears" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:40:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Female instructors > From: "Prince Loeffler" > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:57:08 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: Female Instructors > > Can Women Instructors Teach Men student Self defense effectively? I've > had female instructors in the past and I do not have any complaint or > objections at all. But then again I never had the previledge of being taught > self defense by a female instructor. ( By the way Self Defense to me means > ..Grabs, Holds, Rape, Knife attack and other realistic life threatening > scenarios, I am NOT talking about sparring, Basics or Katas ). ...snip... Absolutely. You should see my partner when she decides the carpet in the school looks dirty. She uses me and our senior trainee to clean it up! The principles of martial arts do not care who teaches them. They have no concept of gender or skin color. ------------------------------ From: "Alagna, Steven M" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:41:00 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Give Humanity A Break! G'irts says: >>**4) People subscribed Dojang-Digest to discuss Korean MA related things, and that's why they gave you ability to mail to them.** I also don't like other media (TV, news) for spreading panic and unproven info, but that's another case. G'irts>> What's wrong with you!!!!! I myself certainly don't like the spread of rumors, hoaxes, and such but... I definitely welcome comments and or discussions currently on this forum regarding the recent attacks on humanity!!!!! I think we can set aside our, in light of these events, seemingly insignificant Korean MA discussion to hear from fellow Martial Artists and how this is affecting them. I get tired of some people on this list saying unless topics are *strictly* related to Korean MA, we shouldn't discuss them. People are discussing these terrorist actions in all forums and we as Martial Artists need to support each other in these sad times. Certain topics need to be discussed to brainstorm and see how Martial Artists handle them. God bless America and Humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Steven M. Alagna ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:52:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Prepare for the long-term Dear Ray: "....I would like to see the President announce that he is ordering the move of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem immediately and tell the world that he is doing so in response to the WTC and Pentagon attacks...." I was having a real hard time reading Bill's letter until I got to the last line. At last, I'm thinking, someone who has some appreciation of what he is up against. I hope to hell the boneheads who got us into this mess with their quick-fix view of international relations have half the sense Bill had in his closing thoughts. If there is to be a war on Terrorism it's not going to be fought so much with bullets and bombs but with negotiation, commitment, loyalty, persistence and sacrifice. No dramatic flair, fancy maneuvers, clever soundbites, or overwhelming coalitions of military forces. Just dogged, relentless movement. Need a model? Put your Sun Tzu down for just a moment and pick-up IF IT TAKES ALL SUMMER. US Grant was not somebody the media buffs, PR people and spin-doctors would ever have wanted in front of a camera at some glitzy modern press conference. Everpresent cigar and rumpled uniform to one side, I can imagine that he easily embodied everything an enemy, political or military, would have to fear in antagonizing our country. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:48:47 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Rank Testing In a message dated 9/14/2001 7:21:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have been to a tkd schools that only tested over the material for a single rank. About half of the students couldn't remember their white belt form but they could sure do their red belt form. >> I have observed other schools that do the same thing and I didn't like the results it got. When another student was asked to step in and do some one steps or self defense with another student lower in rank than them ... they couldn't do it. They were only required to remember their belt rank techniques and it looked like they promptly forgot their other skills. So I decided that that wasn't going happen in my school. We do alot of review ... but I change it up with different kinds of drills and such to make it interesting. Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:45:29 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Rank Testing > << I have been to a tkd schools that only tested over the material for a > single rank. About half of the students couldn't remember their white belt > form but they could sure do their red belt form. >> > > I have observed other schools that do the same thing and I didn't like the > results it got. When another student was asked to step in and do some one > steps or self defense with another student lower in rank than them ... they > couldn't do it. They were only required to remember their belt rank > techniques and it looked like they promptly forgot their other skills. I think it was Bruce (??) that mentioned that he had not noticed a HKD school that didn't test on all the material. I guess I have that same observation. But it sure makes for looonnnnnggggggg tests. As for the TKD schools that do not, what I've seen work well is to spot check. i.e. for the tester to require the testee to not only perform the current material, but also perform randomly selected one-steps or hoshinsul or poomse or Q&As or ?? from the previous material. If they fail, they fail. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:33:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: several responses First, Master Timmerman, I just wanted to thank you for your post yesterday. Mr. Loeffler, I believe that women can effectively teach men self defense. I have seen several women that have effectively taught men self defense. I think it may be harder for women, than men to teach men self defense and every woman may not be an effective teacher. This is in part because of normal sex related strength and size differences. However, I believe it is also because it is difficult for women to understand how men view things. The same is true in the reverse roles as well. The attitude of the student and his view of women is also important in whether or not he can learn from a woman. Mr. Zaruba, Thanks for your response. To which organization do you belong? Tuhon McGrath, You have made some excellent points in your letter. Thanks for sharing it with us Ray. Mr. Lasich, We have recently been discussing this issue in our organization as it pertains to Dan tests. I guess I have some mixed feelings on the issue, primarily because it is hard to draw the line on just how much deference you are going to allow. For my own yu gup ja, I personnally don't have a problem with cutting them a little slack in an area of the test if they have an injury, since my students don't test until I believe they are ready anyway. When it gets to dan tests, particularly if they are aggregate tests such as my organization has, then you really may not know the student's capability, or at least not that well. Particularly if that student is testing for cho dan. Obviously, there is a great range of injuries/conditions, and drawing the line is difficult. In the end, we decided that in general, injuries/conditions shouild be allowed to heal, and the person wait to test later. I think what we were left with was, if a student can go through a test without concession, then OK. They may not score as well on some parts as they would have otherwise, but if they pass, they pass. Of course this leaves a little latitude to the testing board members on how well they are scored. However, if they can't go through a test without modification, then they wait. Hope this helps. Danny Dunn ------------------------------ From: bredfield Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:16:43 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: [Fwd: Candle Lighting] Candle Lighting Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step out of your establishment and light a candle. We will show the world that Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass this to everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach everyone across the United States quickly. The message: WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM. We need press to cover this-- we need the world to see. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:14:05 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Candles burning It`s 8 p.m. in Poland. Calm and silent evening. At this particular moment, I can see something special. I look outside and see many candles burning in the windows. It`s the same throughout Poland. We are a small country on the other side of the gread blue yonder, we can`t help those people who survived the attacks on the NYC. Yet, this is to show that WE CARE... one of the candles is burning in my window as well. - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:35:29 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Testing stuff > I test my students over all the material they have learned from white belt > up. I believe this is the policy of my association as well. I have been to a > tkd schools that only tested over the material for a single rank. About half > of the students couldn't remember their white belt form but they could sure > do their red belt form. I still remember one of the red belt testees doing his Taeguk Sam Jang (required for 6th Kup here) about 20 times until the examiners were finally happy with is performance... :))) Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:20:34 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #530 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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