From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #531 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 15 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 531 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. the_dojang: Pentagon Update: 14 Sep 01, 1925 Hours the_dojang: eskrima: hero's the_dojang: Humanity the_dojang: Women Teaching Men SD the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:17:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. In a message dated 9/14/2001 1:55:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step out of your establishment and light a candle. We will show the world that Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass this to everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach everyone across the United States quickly. >> I did this as an individual ... but we couldn't do it as a school because of the time that was picked. 7pm EST is 4pm here ... and there aren't any classes here at that time. Illona ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Pentagon Update: 14 Sep 01, 1925 Hours Date: 14 Sep 01 Time: 1925 hours Subject: Pentagon Update Still in the 24 hour shift mode. Took the electric cart over to the South Mall to view the damage last night. Extensive damage. Wedges 3.5 to 5.5 will have to be completely renovated. - - Attended Pentagon Building Management Office meeting to discuss space and renovation issues. - - Teams from Air Force arrived to help with Air Quality Issues. - - FBI and Secret Service are taking over operations at the South Parking area where damage occurred. - - If your going to contribute to any organizations in the present or future, please contribute to the Salvation Army and American Red Cross. These two organizations really have their acts together. Serving all sorts of food to all sorts of rescue workers. Have arranged for other companies like McDonalds, Burger King, clothing companies to give free items to rescue workers. A class act. - - Took a break and worked out, re: 25 pool laps, 2 mile run, 120 situps, 20 pushups, stretches. Took the edge off. - - Crisis counseling and stress classes offered to all personnel. See my stress relief program above, re: exercise. - - Fire briefly started again last night. Put out. - - 24 hour schedule this weekend. No play this weekend. More to follow. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:42:31 PDT Subject: the_dojang: eskrima: hero's A post from our 'other' list, the Eskrima list. Ray ================================================================ Forwarded message: Jeremy Glick was a student of Sensei Ogasawara in NJ. Sensei Ogasawara is quoted in the story regarding Mr. Glick and his judo training. http://www.bergen.com/news/woj14200109146.htm Text of the Article A friend, a father, a hero Friday, September 14, 2001 By ADRIAN WOJNAROWSKI Record Columnist An e-mail flashed on Josh Denbeaux's office computer Wednesday morning, a frantic missive from his sister wondering whether the name on the list of passengers on United Airlines Flight 93, Jeremy Glick, was the younger brother of his old high school friend, Jonah. Denbeaux's mind started racing, remembering this was the hijacked, Newark-to-San Francisco flight that missed its targets and crashed in rural Pennsylvania. This was the flight on which officials believed passengers had overtaken the terrorists, and preserved lives and American institutions on the ground as they perished in a cornfield. "When I heard those terrorists only had knives," Denbeaux said softly Thursday afternoon. "It had to be the Jeremy Glick that I knew. He wasn't just going to be fighting them, he was going to be a leader of it. Those attackers are pretty [expletive] sorry, because they ran into the toughest son a bitch I've ever known." At the time, Denbeaux hadn't heard the story of the cellphone call Jeremy made to his wife, Lyzbeth, in the final minutes of the flight, telling her to live a good life and take care of his sweet, 2 1/2-month-old daughter, Emerson. Denbeaux hadn't heard the story of Jeremy assuring his wife of the passengers' plan to storm the terrorists in the cockpit, and go down fighting on Flight 93. When word first got out that Glick had died on this plane, nobody had heard these stories. It didn't matter. They knew they were coming. They knew Jeremy Glick. "Immediately, I knew he was one of the guys who took them down," said Joe Augienello, the coach of Glick's soccer team at Saddle River Day School. "I guarantee it. He was a tough, hard-nosed kid. He was my captain, the protector on my team, and if you gave him a bloody nose, and knocked his teeth out, he'd still be coming after you again. He wasn't the most talented kid on the team, but Lord, you never wanted to be in that kid's way." They remember him on the mats, and soccer and lacrosse fields of Bergen County. They remember Jeremy Glick, the judo black belt and the high school wrestler, who as a freshman, walked into the gym and instantly had upperclassmen deferring to him. Most of all, they remember his sweetness and decency, his good character and good family, the way he loved Lyz, his grade school sweetheart, and that sweet baby, Emerson. Now and forever, they'll remember him as a hero. Always, they'll remember him charging that cockpit, ending his life the way he lived it: fearlessly, and for everyone else. He was the third of the six Glick children, raised in Oradell by parents, Lloyd and Joan, who worked tirelessly to give their kids an elite education at Saddle River Day School. He wasn't the best student, the most graceful athlete, or the best looking kid in the class. It never mattered. Jeremy Glick was just the kid everyone wanted to be. "I was two years older than him, but all I ever wanted to do was emulate him," said Brad Stein, a high school wrestling teammate and now the owner of a computer consulting firm in West Paterson. "He and his brother, Jonah, ran our wrestling team. You know, I don't know that I ever remember Jeremy losing a match. Ever." Today, Jeremy Glick could well be one of the greatest champions American sports has ever produced. Who knows where our country would be without him and the heroes of Flight 93? Where were those terrorists going to fly the hijacked plane? The White House? Air Force One? The Capitol? Somehow, the darkest day in American history could've been worse, officials insist, without the daring courage of Glick, and the people promising to storm the cockpit with him. They saved lives, even as they lost their own. Sometimes, we wonder about sports, about its redeeming value, about lessons learned on fields, and courts and mats. Today, a nation remembers the courage of West Milford's Jeremy Glick, 31, and the passengers of Flight 93, husbands and fathers turned national heroes. Still, there's an excellent chance those terrorists are on the way to Hell, wondering who that tough SOB was that insisted on fighting them to the death. "All I can think is that it's too bad he didn't know how to handle a plane," said Nagayasu Ogasawara, the owner of Kokushi Dojo, a Westwood judo school where Glick started studying as a 7-year-old. "Because he smashed those people right away. Maybe he had help with others on the plane, but I know he wouldn't have needed it. Three people with knives? It would've been no problem for him." Glick was traveling to San Francisco on Tuesday morning for his sales and marketing job, the city where eight years ago Ogasawara had an unexpected meeting with his old student. All the Glick children learned judo under Ogasawara, but Jeremy was the best of them, nearly winning a national junior championship at 15 years old. "He was not just physically strong, but mentally too," Ogasawara said. Ogasawara had made the trip to San Francisco City College to coach West Point's cadets in the 1992 college championships, when out of nowhere, Glick rushed across the gymnasium and threw his arms around his old teacher. As a University of Rochester senior, Glick had no coach. He had no team. "Actually, he was the team." Ogasawara said. It was just Jeremy, all alone, winning the national title with Ogasawara cheering in his corner. Jeremy Glick was unforgettable. Just a kid who people never, ever forgot. And they wouldn't have needed him to die a hero for this to be true. Just Monday, his younger brother, Jared, stopped by Coach Augienello's office, just to visit and say hello. Jared told him that Jeremy was doing wonderful in his job, that Lyz and Emerson were the lights of his life. "All I did was cry this morning," Augienello said Thursday. "But the only time I could come close to smiling was imagining sitting next to Jeremy on the plane. I could hear him, saying, "Aug, let's get these [bleeping] guys.' I'm sure they pounded the [crap] of them." "It's just a shame Jeremy couldn't fly the plane, too." So Thursday afternoon, Augienello told the Saddle River Day School soccer team the story of Jeremy Glick, and promised the kids they were going to wear his old jersey number on their uniforms this season. It's been a long time, 13 years, since the kid graduated, but the coach knew he remembered the number. The assistant principal found him an old yearbook of the Class 1988, and sure enough, there was Jeremy Glick, No. 17, just as his coach remembered. "There's a big picture of him on the cover, that No. 17 kicking the ball, and getting ready to head down field," Augienello said, and always that's the way they'll remember Jeremy Glick, running fast and furious, inspiring everyone to understand that those terrorists never counted on running into Jeremy Glick and the passengers at his side on Flight 93 God Bless them all Rocky Pasiwk ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:26:58 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Humanity Steven wrote: <<<... I definitely welcome comments and or discussions currently on this forum regarding the recent attacks on humanity!!!!! I think we can set aside our, in light of these events, seemingly insignificant Korean MA discussion to hear from fellow Martial Artists and how this is affecting them. I get tired of some people on this list saying unless topics are *strictly* related to Korean MA, we shouldn't discuss them. People are discussing these terrorist actions in all forums and we as Martial Artists need to support each other in these sad times. Certain topics need to be discussed to brainstorm and see how Martial Artists handle them. God bless America and Humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>> Amen, Steven. To the person who Steven was responding to: yes we are martial artists and yes, this is a MA forum, but we are all human. And humanity was attacted Tuesday! Even martial artists are hurt by this! This is the perfect place for us to talk about what happened. For me, even my dojang and classes were affected. My training itself was hurt. We have airline polits in our dojang who work for United Airlines. They are ok, thank God. We have military personel, emt's and firefighters (who volenteered to go to NY) that are not attending class. We have people who are related or know someone (or many) who worked or who were visiting the WTC. I couldn't concentrate last night in class. I didn't go tonight. It's too eery to be there knowing my classmates are in NY. I couldn't see the hurt on my classmates faces (the ones who know people at WTC). I also live near a military base. Hearing them pratice "war games", guns and things going off, and hearing and seeing fighter jets overhead protecting the base ..... it is freaking me out. Fly the Americain flag, light up candles, pray. Show your support. Donate anything you can (blood, cash, clothing), even if it's something as little as a bottle of water or even a t-shirt or a pair of paints from your own dresser. make your location a donation site, and rent a uhaul to take the donations as close to NY as you can, and call the Red Cross to pick it up (they will, by the way). We have tow truck drivers from my town that are taking clothing and food donations, boxing them up, and driving them up on sunday. What a heroic thing to do. Bless them. One more thing before I go: Five code spirit 1) Be loyal to your country 2) Be obedient to parents 3) Honor friendship 4) Always finish what you start 5) In fighting, choose with sense and honor Seven tenets of TSD 1) Integrity 2) concentration 3) Perseverance 4) Respect and obedience 5) Self control 6) Humility 7) Indomitable spirit These words are no longer just for the martial arts anymore. Tang Soo! Dizzy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:02:03 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Women Teaching Men SD I know that at first glance you might get a bunch of knee jerk responses about gender equality from many on this list when it comes to women teaching men self defense. As a woman who has practiced and taught assault prevention to men and women for almost 20 years, I'll add my own thoughts. Women are quite capable of teaching *anyone* physical self defense. Just as men are. Strength shouldn't have much to do with the techniques taught because men vary in this degree as much as women. I am 6 ft tall and 160 lbs. I lift weights and workout regularly. I have found that I am as strong as many men in my weight category. But like I said, good technique should rely on form, speed and application... not strength. I have successfully taught many men: civilians, law enforcement, federal agents, military, even Navy Seal trainers. None ever had an issue with my gender that I could detect. Now for the zinger: Just as women are best capable at teaching women self defense, men are best capable at teaching men self defense. This is NOT to say that women can't teach men and men can't teach women... I'm talking about efficiency and effectiveness. Women have grown up as women and therefore are more likely to know, not just the dangers women face (any man can research that), but exactly what it *feels* like to be threatened by a man. The same applies to men as men. I would never presume to tell a man what his psychological state might be like when another man threatens him. The social dynamics of a man (or woman) threatening or assaulting another man are very different than that of a man (or woman) threatening or assaulting a woman. Being Caucasian, I'd also never tell an African American what it feels like to be under a racist attack. Understand that I am not saying that I can't teach them the physical responses... but my teachings will be limited with a lack of deeper understanding. Self Defense is *not* just standing up there and teaching your students how to kick some *ss. It's also about the psychological state and sociological position of your student. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com 781.270.4800 "Always carry love in your heart... and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 7:50:09 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #531 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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