From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #532 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 15 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 532 In this issue: the_dojang: Remy Presas & Oct. 6 the_dojang: Freedom the_dojang: my experiences Re: the_dojang: Testing the_dojang: Heros the_dojang: Re: Women Teaching Men SD the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 7:58:03 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Remy Presas & Oct. 6 Forwarded message from the Modern Arnis organization. Ray ====================================================== Memorial Celebration of Prof. Remy Amador Presas Saturday, October 6th, 2001 Wyndham Suites Valley Forge 888 Chesterbrook Boulevard Wayne, Pa. 19087 Ph: 601-647-6700 10-12:30 pm-Brunch hosted by Michael and Karen Bates 475 Horseshoe Dr. Media, Pa. Please let them know if you'll be there. Even if it's just for coffee. They can caravan to hotel; it's about 20 minutes from house. 2-3 pm general guest arrival at Wyndham Hotel. Time to relax, make new friends, and visit with old ones. 3-4:30 pm Speakers will remember the Professor. Gentlemen, Coat and tie only! No Jeans. 4:30-6:30 pm Cocktails and munchies 7 pm Buffet Dinner by reservation: $50 @ person Or $70@ person for Steak & Lobster. Please send check, Money Order or Credit Card Information to Michael T. Bates, 803 N. Providence Rd., Media, PA. 19063 Phone: 610-565-3600, e-mail; mtbmaa@home.com Reservations for dinner must be made no later than October 1st. A portion of this money will help to defray the enormous cost of funeral arrangements for the Professor in the Phillipines. 10 pm Guests are welcome back to Bates house for camp fire, cigars & aprtifs ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:25:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Freedom Dear list members, this is the first chance that I have had to check my email since the tragedy began on 11 September. Some of you on the list know the work that I do. These events have changed us all, whether you realize it or not. Some more than others. I would like for all of us to take a moment to consider the freedoms that we enjoy in the U.S., and that these freedoms were won through the blood of our forefathers, brothers, and sisters. Freedom does not come for free, and our freedom in this country did not come cheap. Nor will it be maintained for free. Think of what we have, freedom to come and go, associate with who we wish, say (within limits) what we wish, pray to the god of our choice. Take for a minute also to recognize and send your thoughts and prayers to two fellow Americans, Dayna Curry and Heather Mercer, aid workers for the Germany-based Shelter Now International aid organization in Afghanistan. These two, along with six others, SNI country director Georg Taubmann, Katrin Jelinek, Margrit Stebner and Silke Durrkopf, who are all German, and Australians Peter Bunch and Diana Thomas, were taken prisoner by the Taliban government on 31 August and charged with spreading and illegal religion (Christianity) in Afghanistan. There are many other parts of the world that also ban religious and other freedoms. Give thought now to how much our country must change and how much you are willing to contribute to that change in order to protect the freedoms that we all enjoy. I hope to stay in touch with some of you in the future. V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: jerseyj Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: my experiences Hello fello list members, Ever since the first incident I've been busy for hours on end. I work for one of the major financial houses. When 7wtc went down, we lost 4,500 seats and 1.2million square feet of space. Luckily, everyone evacuated in time. Everyone in this area is trying to do their share, and while mine is not very dramatic like rescuing people, I'm doing my 20 hours a day to help keep the financial institutions of this country afloat and not letting those bas****ds keep us from living our daily lives. While I haven't trained in a while for variosu reasons, the lessons in perserverance , as well as many other lessons , have helped me carry on during this trying time. Maybe in a few days I'll have time for tears... Jerry +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement and success have no meaning." - Benjamin Franklin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Testing On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Lasich, Mark D. wrote: > The question I have is, should testing requirements be adjusted for a > student based on a *temporary* condition that may prevent fully performing > the documented requirements of the specific rank? OR, should the student > wait until they are fully able to perform the documented requirements? > > Not that I am minimizing any situation or individual, but just to understand > various viewpoints. For example, if I was scheduled for testing today, and I > still haven't fully recovered from a dislocated shoulder from weeks ago > (been there, twice), should my test be modified? Should I expect my > instructor to adjust? Should I ask? Should I not test? > This is an interesting question! In reality I think an instructors approach to this is going to depend on if the view the "actual test" as the most important determination of advancement or the performance in class leading up to the test. If you stress the actual test -- the student is going to have to wait -- period. If you stress performance in class -- the student may be able to test. I still say "may" here, since the students safety is paramount -- if their injury is likely to be exasperated by testing -- they shouldn't test until the instructor believes it would be safe. The judgement here needs to be placed on the instructor rather than the student, since the student may still want to test -- even though it wouldn't be good for them. I haven't had major injuries myself during tests, and I haven't had students with major injuries either. But, we have on a few occasions adjusted tests slightly to compensate for minor injuries. But, this was only when the student had the given techique solid in class. I've also given most of the test, and had the student redo the part that they were unable to due to injury later. For example my daughter scraped her knee up and couldn't get any height on her kicking. So I had her do the whole test, but retested her on the kick later. If the student has been solid in class, and can do most of the test, I don't really see a problem in having them test and advance. As instructor it is very satisfying to see students improve and be rewarded with advancement. It's discouraging for both instructor and student to not be able to advance the student due to no fault of their own. If a student isn't putting in the needed effort -- that's different. > Other examples include, but are not limited to: > - - surgery > - - pregnancy > - - sprains > - - breaks > - - dislocations > - - etc....??? Again it depends on how safe it would be for the individual to do any part of the test due to the injury or condition in question. I wouldn't want a pregnant woman doing free-sparring in a test. And I'd be nervous about pre-arranged sparring as well. Should they still pass their test? Pregnancy means 9 months of being careful, and then (if cesearean) possibly a long recovery time, and in either case a baby to take care of that will likely take most of their available time for martial arts away for quite a while afterwards. So if they are solid and their sparring in class has been good -- I'd be inclined to have them test beforehand, if they are able, and feel up to it. Being able to do forms while pregnant, must be extremely challenging as it is.... > > What are the pros/cons of modification/strick adherence to requirements? > Strict: PRO: Strict adherence to requirements does build discipline and the knowledge that if you passed the test -- you really "made the grade". These are both good things. It can cause students to toughen up for the long haul and just make sure they do whatever they need to, to get past the obsticles to the grade. CON: It can be discouraging to students if they are "almost there" and just can't quite go. Sometimes, it also means that students have a real real long time getting back to where they were at (as I pointed out for example with pregnancy above). It also creates a mindset that is inflexible and not willing to change -- which I think is bad. Non-strict: PRO: Allowing modifications does present the view to the student that there is a certain amount of flexibility in the system. It also can be rewarding and satisfying for the student (and instructor) for them to get past a minor problem. CON: Sometimes, students may wonder if the requirements are too lax and if they really "have the right stuff". Even if they don't feel that others may do the same. So if you modify the requirements you need to emphatically state that the reason we are doing this is because the student is solid in class, but due to injury not able to perform now. Purpose of advancement system: The whole purpose of the advancement system is about rewarding the student so that they will put more effort in, focus, improve, and practice longer than without a advancement system. If strict adherance to inflexible standards doesn't meet that goal -- there something's wrong. If students drop out because they can't meet a standard -- is the advancement system working? -- No. If adding flexibility allows this primary goal to be meet -- then it is handled approapriately. If there is too much flexibility put in, so that students figure "they will pass no matter what" -- then the primary goal is not being meet and it needs to become more strict. I think there needs to be a certain balance on both sides. I think the bigger question is: do you make modifications for students who are physically or mentally (due to severe disabilities) unable to perform the requirements? We have talked about this before, but it's interesting to discuss every now and then. Erik Kluzek Longmont CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:09:31 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Heros The story of Jeremy Glick touched my heart. The true epitomy of what we all seek to be. A fearless man who gave his life unquestioningly. Every time I train I will think of this man. I cannot hold back the tears of joy, anger and sorrow that flow from my eyes. It has been said that one man can't make a difference. But the proof is here that one man CAN stand in the face of death and destruction and make a difference. May God rest his soul and give solace to his family and friends. dave ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:53:12 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Women Teaching Men SD Sorry for the brief post, but I'm between hauling cords of wood! I've always felt that my wife had a harder time initially dealing with male students, but she quickly won their respect with her technique and no-nonsense teaching style. I do feel that some men just can't step down from their ego and acknowledge that a woman can knock them on their butt. Their loss...we all know humility goes along way towards your ability to learn, while sexism just increases your ability to stay single! I also agree with Meghan. I believe women are best suited to teach women's self-defense. While I have in the past taught women's self-defense, I prefer my wife to teach it because I feel she teaches it from a more realistic perspective. At 6 foot one and 200 pounds, I do not feel particular intimidated by anyone's size, nor do people generally attack me due to my gender [not just because of my ugly mug either!!]. Dana _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:30:59 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #532 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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