From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #533 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 16 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 533 In this issue: the_dojang: just one way to help the_dojang: Re: Testing While Pregnant ? the_dojang: Doing what we can the_dojang: Han Mu Bong Hyung the_dojang: Awkward ? Re: the_dojang: Female Instructors Re: the_dojang: Women Teaching Men SD the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Donate by Phone Call 1-800-HELP-NOW (1-800-435-7669) To donate to our disaster relief operations, please mention the Disaster Relief Fund when donating by phone. Donate by Mail Send a check to your local chapter -or- Make your check out to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund and mail to the following address: American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund P.O. Box 37243 Washington, D.C. 20013 Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:04:23 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Testing While Pregnant ? In a message dated 9/15/2001 2:05:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I wouldn't want a pregnant woman doing free-sparring in a test. And I'd be nervous about pre-arranged sparring as well. Should they still pass their test? Pregnancy means 9 months of being careful, and then (if cesearean) possibly a long recovery time, and in either case a baby to take care of that will likely take most of their available time for martial arts away for quite a while afterwards. So if they are solid and their sparring in class has been good -- I'd be inclined to have them test beforehand, if they are able, and feel up to it. Being able to do forms while pregnant, must be extremely challenging as it is.... >> We had a woman in here while she was pregnant but she opted not to test while pregnant ... but wait till she came back. And she did. It took a year for her to get to where "she" wanted to be and test ... but that was a choice of her own. After all, she said ... "I am going to be in the arts as long as I can ... am in no hurry to go up in belt rank". When she did come back fully and test ... she tested earlier than usual for her next test as she had been working out and practicing at home and in private lessons on the weekends with me -- she did great and was very proud of herself. She has now opted to try our Class Assistant Classes ... to help out in one class a week. Illona ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:30:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Doing what we can By Wednesday of this week, it turned out that some of the juniors at the taekwondo school I attend had started asking how they could provide assistance to the victims of the tragedies on Sept. 11th. Mrs. Courtney Nowakowski, a 3rd-dan who runs things at our school, quickly worked with some others to come up with a "Board Break-A-Thon" that was held today (9/15), with pledge donations going to the September 11th Fund created by the United Way of NYC. In all honesty, I thought that, although it was a great way to get kids involved, we probably wouldn't raise much money. By the end of the hour and a half of at least 20 juniors breaking the appropriate rebreakable boards (small groups alternating breaks for 5 mins), and the contributions of other adults and instructors (including Mrs. Nowakowski, who personally broke rebreakable boards for at least 30 minutes), it was announced that folks had broken about 3800 boards, and had raised somewhere around $2000, EXCLUDING pledges based on number of boards broken and some company matching. I believe the total will be closer to $3000+. I found this to be a wonderful example of Americans and martial arts enthusiasts showing their patriotism and resiliency. The positive energy that was demonstrated at our school today and stories such as Jeremy Glick's reminded me of why I get such a charge out of my training. I know this next statement will sound incredibly inappropriate, but my wish is that in the next 5-10 years, we will be able to look back at Osama Bin Laden and THANK him, for giving the world community the resolve to wipe out terrorism on this planet. Paul Rogers, ATA, Round Rock, TX http://www.NiblocksATA.com ------------------------------ From: Loucat101@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 05:02:23 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Han Mu Bong Hyung If anyone here who does Hanmudo knows the Bong form, could they please help me! I've got as far as the 11th move ( right hand on top of bong, facing the other way to which you started) and I've forgotten what comes next...I would ask my instructor but I won't see her for another week and I need to practise, Thanks in advance Louise ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:18:14 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Awkward ? Interesting... In watching a replay on ESPNC, for the umpteenth time, of the 1964 boxing match between Sonny Liston and (then) Cassius Clay, the fight commentators called Ali's boxing style awkward and him an awkward fighter. Interesting in that what we might now term poetry in motion, then appeared awkward to some experts. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Female Instructors On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Prince Loeffler wrote: > Can Women Instructors Teach Men student Self defense effectively? I've > had female instructors in the past and I do not have any complaint or > objections at all. But then again I never had the previledge of being taught > self defense by a female instructor. ( By the way Self Defense to me means > ..Grabs, Holds, Rape, Knife attack and other realistic life threatening > scenarios, I am NOT talking about sparring, Basics or Katas ). > Well, I think we can reverse the question and have some validity. "Can Men Instructors Teach Women Students Self defense effectively?". In my teaching there are things that work for me that I try to teach to smaller women and it doesn't work because of the strength difference. But, more than that we can say "Can a large instructor teach a small person self defense effectively?". After all the difference in reach speed power and strength has a big impact. Of course you can turn that question around to "can a small instructor teach a large person self defense effectively?". As we go on, we can start looking at disabilities, or things like "flexible/inflexible", "strong/weak", and on and on. So I'm going to give up and say "you can only teach someone that is identical to you in every way" -- and you'll have a very small class indeed. Ok, but that's ridiculous. Classes are never made up of clones, but instructors produce fine students of all sizes, gender, ages, and disabilities. So how do instructors teach those that are different? One answer is experience, and another is principle based teaching. My female Aikido instructor has taught us men that we do certain rolls a certain way "so as not to damage the family jewels". Does she do this because she's experienced this? No, she talks about this because of her teaching experience and her own instructors. With experience I've found that when I can't teach a small woman a certain way of doing something we do it another way and that works. Since, instructors interchange with their instructors and other instructors of all sizes and types they learn ways of successfully handling different students. Principle based teaching what do I mean there? If I teach only inflexible techniques -- students of different "types" may not be able to be successful. So I teach one way of responding to a given grab -- a smaller student may not be able to do it that way successfully. If I teach principles, such as the need to create space, how to compenstate for opponents of different sizes, and about leverage -- I can help them to learn how to be successful. And if I teach several different responces students can figure out which ones work best for them. There's a certain amount of exploration a student must do to understand how to apply general principles, techniques and ideas to their own body type. Erik Kluzek Longmont CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:16:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Women Teaching Men SD On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Meghan Gardner wrote: > > Self Defense is *not* just standing up there and teaching your students how > to kick some *ss. It's also about the psychological state and sociological > position of your student. > Meghan -- good article by the way. But, I also very much agree with your statement above. I think this aspect is most of the time ignored by martial artists, but in many ways it plays a bigger role than any other single issue. Many people don't feel able to fight back for various reasons. One reason is that during an assault a perpertrator is most likely going to assault the potential victim both physically and verbally. Actually, this is one reason I somewhat prefer the term "self protection". To me "self defense" refers to the physical martial techniques you use when confronted with an assailant. "self protection" refers to this and more including ways of minimizing the likelihood of being marked as a potential victim, and it includes the psychology behind assault. Erik Kluzek Longmont CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:20:47 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #533 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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