From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #546 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 25 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 546 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Visiting Black Belts and round kicks the_dojang: Re: private lessons the_dojang: Titles the_dojang: Hapkido seminars the_dojang: RE: November Seminar the_dojang: Moja Kwan Seminar the_dojang: RE: Dear Meghan the_dojang: private lessons the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clothahump Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:14:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Visiting Black Belts and round kicks > > > From: "Bruce Sims" > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:13:32 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: 1st BB Stuff > > Dear CKC: > > ".....Yes, they do. By the time a person earns 1st Degree, they should be > able to do durn near any kick known to man (or woman), if they are physically > capable of doing the technique....." > > I think I understand the situation in question and won't pretend to speak to either TKD or the ATA not having much in-depth experience with either. The reason I am responding is that I have seen similar statements as the one I clipped above and wonder about it. If a 1st BB is expected to have the profficency you mentioned, what remains for that person to learn apart from alternate versions and venues of the same material for the rest of their MA career? ...snip... That was my statement, so I'll respond to it. Here's an analogy. Earning 1st Degree is like graduating from high school. You know a lot but you don't know everything. The journey from White Belt to Black Belt is nothing more than learning the basics and building a foundation. The journey from 1st Degree onward is college. This is where you start learning the art, not just the basics. As a colored belt, you are taught how to do it. As a Black Belt, you learn why you do it. You also learn how to teach it to others and in so doing, you perfect your own technique. > ------------------------------ > > From: Dave Weller > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:46:09 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Roundhouse kicks > > ...snip... > > Also like to comment on "keeping the hands up"... Someone noted that some TKD folks > let their hands/arms hang (ala Mohammed Ali) when sparring. That is the quickest way I > know (leastways in our dojang) to get slapped up side the head. TKD rules notwithstanding > we strongly emphasis guarding the head.... I've never understood the point of letting > the hands drop in sparring, even Olympic style, because in any style sparring the head is > still a target, just different weapons attacking it (hands VS. feet). LOL! I'm constantly reminding my students to keep their guard up. I started asking out loud why they were guarding their butt instead of their head. As soon as I did, the hands started coming up. There actually is one reason for dropping the hands and that is the attempt to sucker someone into closing the gap, thinking they can score before the hands come up. Most often, the person with the hands down is planning a spin hook kick to the attacker's head. I've learned to trap those folks by faking a kick attack and letting them commit to the hook kick. I then either block it cold or deflect it, climb up their back and dance on their head for a while. > ------------------------------ > > From: "Anne Skjold" > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:28:26 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: RE: Visiting Black Blet > > At our school WTF, we do not honor ATA Black Belt Rank, but they do > accelerate faster to 'earn' their WTF BB rank Might I ask why that is? ATA's requirement for 1st Degree are much more difficult than WTF's, I think. Now I'm basing that on the few WTF schools that I have seen and on the WTF Black Belts who have joined my school and had the technical proficiency of a Blue Belt or so in the ATA, so I do have a somewhat limited perspective on it. ------------------------------ From: Clothahump Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:19:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: private lessons > > > From: Neal Konecky > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:09:03 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: private lessons > > Hello All, > > ...snip... > > > Now, here are the practical issues. What are average fees? What are my insurance > concerns? Are there any other issues I need concern myself with? > If you are teaching them as a representative of your school, your school's liability insurance should cover you. I would get that in writing in some way, probably by having them sign a contract with your school. If not, it's your behind in the grinder if someone gets hurt. Fees - whatever you and your instructor agree on and the students agree to pay. I would think they would be less than what the school charges because you're teaching somewhere else with no overhead like rent, utilities, etc. ------------------------------ From: "Master Frank Clay" Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:01:20 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Titles According to my research titles should go as follows: Name + Martial Arts Title ie. Kim Kwanjangnim If you are on friendly terms with someone and they are socially on the same level as you Name + ssi ie Kim Ssi (IF you know the person very well you can drop ssi, but in public it is always best to err on the side of formality) IF you have a passing acquaintance with someone or do not know them Name + Seong sa nim ie Kim seong sa nim. In English titles come before the name, but that is not always true of other languages. I would recommend always being formal until such time as someone tells you that you do not have to be formal with them. At least that strategy works on non English speaking westerners such as Europeans. Sincerely, Frank Clay Kwanjangnim www.bluewavemudo.com ============================================================================ ================================================= Check out the USNTA Series of tournaments coming in 2002!!! For more information www.usnta.net. ============================================================================ ================================================= ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 8:48:19 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido seminars Hapkido Seminar Schedule Open to all ranks and styles Master JR West, 8th Dan Teaching Hapkido since 1967 Saturday, October 13 Seabrook (Houston), TX Contact Mike Kuns at makuns@irondragon.com or 281-326-5425 Saturday, November 3 Hampstead, MD Contact Joe Borucki at master@globalhapkido.com or 410-239-3554 Saturday, November 10 Ft. Wayne, IN Contact Anthony New at anthony.new@awnhapmudo.com or 219-490-2888 Friday-Sunday, March 1-3, 2002 Jackson, MS Contact JR West at hapkido@netdoor.com or 601-856-8487 Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:44:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: November Seminar Dear Jere: "....Master J. R. West, hapkido 8th dan (and the first American certified as a BB by the Korea Kido Association [kidohwe]), will be conducting a one day seminar on November 10th in Fort Wayne, Indiana. ...." Now we're cookin'. Is there any information on what material will be covered? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:50:26 Subject: the_dojang: Moja Kwan Seminar Dear List, Just returned to the high country from Atlanta, GA. I would like to thank Master Charles Richards and Mr. Joe Clark and their families and students for the fantasic display of that Southern hospitality. Master Richards put on a great Seminar and I would recommend to anyone that they should attend the 2nd annual Moja Kwan seminar. There is nothing quite like training hard for a good portion of the day and then having a good meal and cold beverages with new Martial Arts friends and talking our favorite subject into the wee hours. As with all USKMAF seminars we had fun and were careful to learn something along the way :) Thanks again Rich Imagine!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:32:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Dear Meghan Dear Meghan: If the goal of your essay was to elicit a response I must admit you succeeded. Thank you for the concise manner in which you have managed to characterize the very worst that martial training and discipline could offer to its society. Perhaps when we are done with this discussion maybe we could have a dialogue regarding how rape victims need to be held accountable for their violation for the way that they dress or previous sexual activity. It would make just about as much sense. But perhaps I judge you too harshly. Is it possible that you have not been keeping up on current events, or do you make a habit out of ignoring historical patterns? Is it that you refuse to appreciate the nature of the attitudes and values that drive terrorist behavior, or is it simply easier to wave the flag rather than admit to Americas' mistakes in foreign policy? 1.) Commerce and Capitalism are driven by a differential between "have" and "have nots." You want commerce? People who don't "have" are going to have to be goaded into wanting to become "haves". But not everyone can be "haves" or the differential disappears and commerce stops. At the outer fringes of these haves and have-nots are the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor and when the extremely poor, from their position of hopelessness and powerlessness see the exploitive opulance of the extremely rich frustration, jealousey and fear produce anger and violence. Most folks are in the middle when the s*** starts to fly, but please note that the planes did not target Harlem or Brooklyn or Bayonne. 2.) You may be a fighter--- but you are no warrior. Anybody, including my 4 y/o granddaughter can fight. It does not take MA training to fight. You didn't have to train in a MA to be able to strike back when struck, hurt when hurt, and destroy rather than build. The Chinese characters for "warrior" are transliterated as "stop spear" not "kick ass" or "paybacks." Does it take strength to see family members, co-workers and public servants slaughtered by the thousands? Yes, it does. And cultures around the world have been dealing with such things for decades from East Timor in the Pacific to Northern Ireland in the UK. Perhaps you will explain to me who the US is that we can retreat behind our oceans and leisurely digest the pain and suffering in the World in 30-minute news programs each evening. Whatsmore you may want to ask any number of American corporations what their part was in furnishing materials to the Germans through South America in WW II, abandoning various allies in a series of conflicts since the Korean War and manipulating world markets for the last 40 years. Did you really think that we can live at this level of affluence in this country and not do it at a price to others around the world? Did you think this practice occurred by accident and was not a matter of policy driven by American corporations? Did you think someone, somewhere would NOT hold us accountable for our violations? 3.) The common denominator for all that I have said is summed up in one word - -- Justice. This is not an economically feasible construct by any way, shape or form. It is expensive and provides no real short-term gain. It comes slowly and painfully, and is won one heart at a time. The day you decided to train in a martial art THIS is what you were intended to provide--- this and the circumstances that make its development more likely. You want Peace? Work for Justice. You want "paybacks"-- get in line with the rest of the short-sighted, flag-waving miscreants. BTW: If it does come to war-- and a long one--- would you please try to do a better job of supporting the effort in the long haul? Last time this country tried to fight a protracted conflict the wealthy made huge profits, their kids went to Canada and Sweden and were pardoned, the soldiers were disenfranchised and alienated, a president resigned and it damn near tore the country in two. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:50:53 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: private lessons Neal: We have private lessons, but at no additional cost for students. Once a student joins here they are a student, no extra costs, no limit on the number of classes per week, etc. Private lessons are free before or after class and during open classes on Saturday. However, a local karate school charges $15 every 1/2 hour for private lessons regardless of how many students are in the class. We charge $10 an hour per person for group lessons (those who are not students, but clubs, etc., that want a custom short term program). The goals of these folks will help you develop a action plan for this private group. You should not have any problems with insurance as they would then become students. Hope this helps. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:47:08 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #546 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.