From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #548 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 26 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 548 In this issue: the_dojang: Hapkido and troubled times... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #547 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #547 the_dojang: Hapkido seminars Re: the_dojang: Terrorism & Violence the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #546 the_dojang: Private Lessons the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nathaniel_Maras@amp.com.au Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:41:41 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido and troubled times... Hi everyone, Its quite interesting to find out the various reasons people study martial arts and what they hope to get from it. Some say its spiritual, some say they need the discipline and focus, whilst others say its fitness or self-defense. I study here in Australia with the Korean Hapkido Federation and I am totally devoted to it. I have an excellent master from Korea who has extensive experience in all theatres of where Hapkido is used and trained. I've looked at other schools of Hapkido and realise what they miss out on. Not being discriminative or anything of the sort, I feel that Hapkido is not only a form of self defense, but a true martial art. By this, one cannot dispute the attitude, culture and philosophies a master from the east brings to the students than someone who teaches almost by text book. This is just my opinion and in the end of the day its what I prefer. I've also noticed that techniques widely differ, and almost tremendous variations on theory of training, defense, offense and how one fits in our world around us. One particular Hapkido school in mind has an instructor who switches between Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido depending on what the majority of the students prefer and combine it with various gym programs in what seems an effort to get paying bodies in the door. This is not correct in my mind as the principles and ideas behind TKD and HKD are worlds apart. One has circular flowing movements, the other is opposite. Both good on their own right, but something that should not be mixed about as years of refinement derived the arts in the particular forms. On the thought of troubled times one should not be silly in thinking that the world is all but daffodils and dandylions. There are lots of sick and twisted individuals out there, who are just waiting to take your life or make it hell. Those who philosophise about love too much is okay, but too much and one becomes very niave. It only takes a trip to the police station and look at the numbers of how many missing persons get reported each year. How many deaths, murders, rapes, assaults etc. Even here in Australia my home is become increasingly violent as more and more desperate people look for a way out. My philosophy is not to love or hate an individual in a conflicting situation, but react and measure your force against what is being directed at you. If need by, one must take the offensive to defend as well as being prepared to injure or kill if required. Those that don't believe it are crazy. If a couple of guys want to kill you and that is their directive. Of course things can be avoided, and one can restrain, however all situations differ and you have to be prepared for those consequences. It is a martial art, it is for defending in which fighting is an element. It is for your life so that you can see another sun rise. To all you americans out there God bless and I hope that this trouble can subside soon. nat ------------------------------ From: Danny Abramovitch Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:04:20 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #547 > From: "Craig Stovall" > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:13:06 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Economics 101 > > Ray...we're straying WAY off topic here so just say the word, and you won't > hear another peep out of me in regards to this and similar topics. > > Having said that... > > Craig Stovall As I read Craig's spirited and eloquent defense of truth, justice, and the American Way, I started with a blank face that turned to a smile that gave way to chuckling in my cubicle. Man, I thought Dan Akroyd had Joe Friday down pat, but Craig just made him look like a complete rookie. Jack Webb lives! :-) Remember, "we're Americans, with a capital A. That means our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country on the planet."(*) That's what makes this place great. (*) Bill Murray in "Stripes". - -- Danny ------------------------------ From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:33:04 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #547 I'd like to start a new topic here at the DD. I've been reading for a while and have commented a few times on several topics. But I have a question maybe a good topic to run with as well. As I have trained in the martial arts for several years 15 to be exact and have had a few instructors, and have participated in many different schools thru sparring or just been a special guest or what not.. Thiers never been an emphasis on "snaping" or "recoiling" kicks, such as my 1st Karate instructor would emphasise on every kicking technique that he ever taught. No matter the kick he would always say "recoil that kick". "Get it back home faster than you put it out there." I have sparred students that would kick and just leave it hanging it would be so easy to trap or catch these kicks. I was curious to how many instructors or students for that matter teach or have been taught this? And would also like an honest answer from those who have never heard this or been taught this. Simply because I've noticed it in alot of dojo/dojangs in my training areas. Thanks everyone Cory nidan karate/tkd ------------------------------ From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:06:25 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido seminars Ray, good job on the post below. Hope you are feeling better. Folks, I have been to all the seminars listed below and hope you can attend. As my dojang is new I will only be able to attend the last two. I really hate missing the Houston one as I have a lot of friends and students in my old home town. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul Hapkido Seminar Schedule - Open to all ranks and styles Master JR West, 8th Dan - Teaching Hapkido since 1967 Saturday, October 13 Seabrook (Houston), TX Contact Mike Kuns at makuns@irondragon.com or 281-326-5425 Saturday, November 3 Hampstead, MD Contact Joe Borucki at master@globalhapkido.com or 410-239-3554 Saturday, November 10 Ft. Wayne, IN Contact Anthony New at anthony.new@awnhapmudo.com or 219-490-2888 Friday-Sunday, March 1-3, 2002 Jackson, MS Contact JR West at hapkido@netdoor.com or 601-856-8487 ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 01:10:50 EDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Terrorism & Violence All I can say, that this is the first time I've seen the discussion on this list veer away from the subject of martial arts....I just wish the acts had never happened. Since it seems that these events are now a part of the fabric of our society, let's bring it into the realm of the martial arts: A question for everyone here: Has the events of Sept 11th changed your approach to the Martial Arts? I don't mean in the way your school is run business-wise, or going out looking for terrorists under every rock. I mean, are you teaching more knife defense to your students, or starting to train harder and longer? Will these events change your approach to what you teach and learn? I am interested to hear people's responses to this, for I think those acts of terrorism will effect all parts of our society. The Other Craig (NOT Stovall) ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #546 Neal: We have private lessons, but at no additional cost for students. Once a student joins here they are a student, no extra costs, no limit on the number of classes per week, etc. Private lessons are free before or after class and during open classes on Saturday. However, a local karate school charges $15 every 1/2 hour for private lessons regardless of how many students are in the class. We charge $10 an hour per person for group lessons (those who are not students, but clubs, etc., that want a custom short term program). The goals of these folks will help you develop a action plan for this private group. You should not have any problems with insurance as they would then become students. Hope this helps. Jere R. Hilland Mr. Hilland, This is a different type of situation. These lessons, given with SaBum's blessing, are solely my enterprise. Because of distance, these people do not want to travel to where I teach, and therefore, there will not be any participation, of any kind, with the school owners. If you have any ideas, please let me know. Thank you Neal Konecky ===== Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty. John F. Kennedy (1917-1963) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Private Lessons Now, here are the practical issues. What are average fees? What are my insurance concerns? Are there any other issues I need concern myself with? - ----------------------------------------------------- Dear Neal, For very little money you could form an AAU "club" and I would still request that they have their own insurance, most parents have their children as riders on their med insurance, so the AAU insurance would buffer against deductables. I would pass this entire cost onto them. Club fee $50 i believe, and annual dues $20 adults and $10 youth (www.aautaekwondo.org). I would pass this whole cost on to them , maybe as a "down payment/good faith" Something else to consider would be say a $1M umbrella policy, if you have your homeowners and car insurance with the same agent there might even be a discount, either way the umbrella is usually not as expensive as you think... Finally my sister reminds me that the MINIMUM dance card she has ever purchased was $10 per 1-hr class and a minimum block of 5 to a dozen classes, so the $10 per hour per person is more than fair...And for the lists reference, the average semi-pro dancer makes less than $25K per year and usually takes 2 or 3 classes 5 or 6 days per week (around $100 per week for qualified instruction).... I would try to do block payments, remember you will have already opened your schedule for the agreed time and gotten used to the "extra" money, if they cancel last minute, with a block pass they have already paid, and then you and they work out the times... This is basically how I started my "garage band" dojang before we moved to the gymnasium we now rent. Good Luck! Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! 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