From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #551 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 27 Sept 2001 Vol 08 : Num 551 In this issue: the_dojang: Leaving for Korea the_dojang: Re: Testosterone stuff?? the_dojang: Portland TKD schools the_dojang: RE: Seminar stuff the_dojang: http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/ the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Miller Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:58:22 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Leaving for Korea I will be leaving for Korea next Thursday for my annual training with GM Lim and the Jungki Kwan along with GM Chung of the Ji Do Kwan. As always I am very much looking forward to getting instruction from one of the best in Traditional Hapkido & Guhapdo. I will let you know how it goes. TM ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:23:41 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Testosterone stuff?? Dear Hapki: "....I would appreciate you opinions on the subject of training while injured. I figure as long as the injuries are minor, I'm not delaying healing or re injuring no harm. I'm 52 & new to Hapkido...." I honestly wish I could say something warm and supportive about your approach but the fact is that I am not sure what you are doing makes a lot of sense in the context of modern training. Perhaps if you were on some comeptitive schedule as with players in professional sports, or on a schedule of events I might understand why you would imagine a need to practice in spite of your discomfort. The fact is that the reason most folks have limits on their sports careers (ie. 3-5 years in Muay Thai) is that they DO train and perform without sufficient time to recover from injuries. Admittedly, that such people are still able to excel regardless of their injury and discomfort probably says a lot about their level of commitment. Of course there is always the fact that maybe they are getting paid or compensated in some way. Whats' YOUR excuse? 1.) The fact that you are being injured suggests to me that you are pushing too far and too fast. Your conditioning, breakfalls, timing and focus are not sufficiently developed to perform at the level you are asking of yourself. Maybe you don't want to disappoint your partner. Maybe you are too proud to admit that you need to go slower. Maybe you are under some financial constraint and want to squeeze every bit of information out of every tuition dollar. All I can say is that maybe you are moving too fast. 2.) Discomfort is a sign that your body is already overstressed. Pain is a sign of damage--- however slight. Take the hint. If you don't, expect that your body will begin to take matters into its own hands by adjusting things (even unconsciously) to compensate for or relieve the pain. The result is a blossoming of "bad habits" which you will only have to unlearn later. 3.) Injuries are a lot like credit cards--- you start with the original principal (injury), add interest and before you know it you are owing for interest that has accrued on the interest. The overall process is called "aging" and happens to us all. What you are doing is a fine way of accellerating the process for no apparent good reason. You don't have to stop training; just slowdown and pace yourself. Every seminar I go to there is always a bunch of guys who can't make it out onto the mat cause of knee, hip, back and neck injuries. They're the ones that sit around talking about what good Hapkido training should be. Assuming for a moment that they are the product of their own philosophy.... Guess how they got that way? You're gonna do what you plan on doing anyhow.... but think about first, 'kay? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: TNTcombatives@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:40:20 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Portland TKD schools Steven, Portland has quite a number of TKD schools, but having seen and trained at many, I only recommend a handfull. Out in Hillsboro, there is Haney's World Martial Arts (TKD/JJ). A bit flashy, but solid training. Good mix of tradition with progressive...and the Self Defense is top notch. (503)642-1500. GM H.S.Kim's schools (chang-hun TKD). There are many in the area, but go to one of the high rank master schools, the training is a bit weak in the self defense areas. M.Doug Tesdal(503)359-4997. Koryo TKD. WTF training at it's best. M.Marc Park is a real fireball.(503)481-5425. Pacific Rim Martial Arts (HKD). GM Jim Garrison. This guy is awesome and has a huge knowledge base. Beautiful school, great environment. (503)626-8391. Bettencourt's TKD America. M.Steve Bettencourt. WTF & ITF styles, and HKD under GM Bong Su Han. M.Bettencourt is a very nice guy, and is an extremely effective instructor (go to his school, not the student branches).(503)231-5474. School of Traditional TKD. X-Kim's TKD instruc tors...I think. Everything I have heard about them is good. 503-289-9590. Hope this helps, Mark Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:41:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Seminar stuff Dear Jere: "....These two I use as an example are not text book teachers. I have seen many hapkidoin of Korean and American nationality who did not even have a grasp of basic motion...." I think this is one (among many) great reason I keep coming back to M Wests' activities. The fact is that when I attend his seminars I come away with information and material that increases the quality of my practice and to this end the opportunities are always there to ask questions. Flipping the coin over, though, I must sadly report that the situation you reported about many of the oriental teachers is a phenomenon that is growing rather than diminishing. I think a lot of folks see the epicanthic fold in the eye, and hear the pidgin English and automatically assume that the teacher knows what he is talking about. My personal experience is that when I start asking questions regarding a technique that go into greater detail about un-balancing, focus, mis-alignment motion, timing or many of the other qualities beyond "how-do-I-place-my-hands/how-do-I-place-my-feet", conversation just sorta dries up. Originally I thought it was because of the language barrier, or perhaps some cultural issue that a teacher might have about being questioned in detail by a student. What I have found, in truth, is that a lot of these folks teaching Hapkido can't answer questions because they simply don't know anything beyond doing the techniques they were taught and the way that they were taught. If somebody had to press me for the single best contribution that American Hapkidoin are making to the art, I would have to say that it is an examination and improved understanding of how the body's structure and the techniques bio-mechanics work together to produce effective results. To his additional credit, M West can do this with anyone that attends his seminars whether that person has had Hapkido training before, or not. No small trick. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:41:24 PDT Subject: the_dojang: http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/ Update from the Kukkiwon. The Kukkiwon's website is now available in English at: http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/ Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:43:27 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #551 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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