From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #555 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 1 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 555 In this issue: the_dojang: trivia the_dojang: Good news update... comeback after whiplash! the_dojang: RE: Training Stuff the_dojang: UNCIVPOL the_dojang: Recoiling Kicks the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 8:36:39 PDT Subject: the_dojang: trivia Also used in Korea... Li - a traditional unit of distance in China. A Confucian proverb widely misquoted in the West as "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" actually says "a journey of a thousand li begins with a single step." Although the traditional li was approximately 1/3 mile or 500 meters, the late imperial governments of China used a li of 1800 ch'ih, which is 2115 feet, about 0.401 mile, or 644.65 meters. In modern China, the li equals exactly 0.5 kilometer or 500 meters. In Chinese, the kilometer itself is usually called a gongli, or "metric li." Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Elizabeth (Libby) Wiebel" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Good news update... comeback after whiplash! I wrote the list a while back frustrated after a car accident, wondering how long it would be before I could "come back" to my tae kwon do classes. Well... I used a lot of the ideas that people sent me... reviewing mentally, attending classes to watch, and spending the time just going through my books and manuals making sure I was up to speed on all of the mental/memory aspects (i.e. committing those pledges, rules, etc, to absolute memory, as well as korean terms and the sequences in our self defense and one-step routines). It's been frustrating, but ultimately good for my patience and perseverance, I think! Anyway... good news is that today's eval with my PT and chiropractor gave me "permission" to return to classes! I've been on a walking, stretching, and light exercise program for the last couple of weeks. And I'll have to start back to TKD slow... basically just "walking" through the classes... no sparring, running, or forceful movements. I can't risk a setback at this point. BUT... regardless, I get to don that dobok again and bow in at class _tomorrow_ night. After this 4-month unexpected hiatus, I'm so eager to get back at it. Right before the accident I had just earned my low red belt. And I'm DETERMINED to earn my black belt... and beyond! Perhaps this setback came for a some divine reason... to help me work on my patience perhaps? But whatever it is, I'm inspired and eager. Watch out fellow students... this woman and her enthusiasm are back to the dojang! Thanks all for your advice. Just thought I'd give this exciting update! TAE KWON! Libby Wiebel - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Libby Wiebel | ewiebel@cs.wm.edu | http://www.cs.wm.edu/~ewiebel - ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it." - Helen Keller - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:49:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Training Stuff Dear Prince: "..... My question to this list How can Taekwondo or any martial arts become a method of training for adults who recently suffered from a sciatica nerve pinch or other injuries? with this typeof physical condition, how many sessions per week is healthy, and how long should each of them be? What type of training is ideal?...." Stop doing the work for your potential student. Its only going to get you into trouble. You are not a doctor, or even a sports medicine professional and trying to develop a curriculum for a person who introduces himself from the start as not being able to physically address the demands of your training should tell you something. Quite often I get folks who present to me that they want to study Hapkido and then proceed to tell me about what they can and cannot do because of various back, neck and knee conditions. Maybe it gives you a good feeling to think that you are going the extra mile for the physically impared. Maybe you need the cash flow-- I don't know. But consider this from another point of view. How fair are you being to the individual in teaching him some MA moves and leading them to think what they are doing is the same as everyone else? How fair are you being to those students who will have this impared student as a partner and with whom they will need to adjust their training in deference to this students' training abilities. How fair will it be to the other students if Mr. Pinched-Nerve aggravates his condition and sues your school into closing? I would be right up front with Mr. Pinched-Nerve and tell him that in your considered opinion that maybe TKD is not appropriate for him at this time. If he wants to do it he can sign a letter indicating that he is enrolling in an activity against your best advice and that of his doctor and that he is taking full responsibility for his decision and does not hold you responsibile for whatever follows. If he's not willing to accept responsibility for his actions why should you? Sometimes I think these folks get to us through our EGO as though we MA teachers are somehow less unless we can make our art all things to all people. 1.) You're Not, and 2.) we don't have to. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 9:56:58 PDT Subject: the_dojang: UNCIVPOL A cross-post from our Policedo list. Ray ========================================================== Forwarded message: From: Doug.Devlin@cn.ca The Police Martial Arts Association has begun an initial testing project (ITP).The project involves the introduction of POLICEDO to the United Nations Civilian Police contingents (UNCIVPOL for short). Policedo will be introduced to this unique policing function while officers are "in theatre" of operations. Policedo shall be initiated as a training and teaching method as well as a fitness and recreational activity. More information will follow as the project develops. D.W. Devlin. ------------------------------ From: "Alagna, Steven M" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:19:43 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Recoiling Kicks Richard said: >>A sharp thrust kick to lower area such as the groin , quad or abdominal area can cause a significant amount of damage and set up the opponent for being finished. Normally his guard will drop to the area that was attacked and his attention and focus on you is diverted leaving his head wide open.>> Yes, I can agree to this to a certain point, but I'd still rather not stand there and trade blows hoping my kick is going to draw his hands down for a follow-up. I'd rather kick to the groin, driving my foot up through the top of his head, dropping him... and I'm not going to stand there to see what he does, I probably would follow-up with some knees and a couple of elbows for good measure. Basically, I'm going to slam and jam as I move forward over the top of this person to beat feet out of there. Alain says: >>I agree with the point you were making, but do take the time to read my article on jabs when it comes out in MARTIAL ARTS & COMBAT SPORTS. Jabs can be quite powerful if you throw them correctly, that's why Dempsey liked to call them jolts rather than jabs. Like a well placed sniper round, a jab can take someone out.>> I will do that, I have a subscription to this mag. I agree that you can drop someone with a fast powerful lead-hand punch employing a powerful hip twist taking someone off guard. I was just trying to point out that the "typical" jab is not a power punch and is an action that does recoil. Illona writes: >>Well, in a self defense situation I would be kicking thru their legs ... not on top of them and coming back right away. But I thought we were talking about kicks in the dojang and sparring in the dojang ... with our friends. Self defense training is totally different and we do work on that in our school, also.>> What you write is exactly true, but most times is not explained this way, giving students a false sense of what is needed to truly take someone out. Do you think recoiling in the dojang will develop a bad habit as does the light contact? Just some thoughts. Thanks for all the comments. Steven M. 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