From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #559 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 3 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 559 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Real Karate/TKD/Martial Arts the_dojang: Women's Self Defense in Burlington, MA the_dojang: Re: Will the Real TKD Please Stand Up! the_dojang: WHAT??? My WTF is FAKE??? If I'd only known... the_dojang: Palm Strikes the_dojang: Punching the_dojang: RE: Real TKD the_dojang: TSD in Albany, NY ??? the_dojang: Korea-mania in China the_dojang: e-mail martial arts?? the_dojang: Breaking the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. 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Greg Giddins ------------------------------ From: "Meghan Gardner" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:29:56 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Women's Self Defense in Burlington, MA Women's Self Defense Intensive October 14th 1-4PM Guard Up, Inc. 16A Garfield Circle, Burlington, MA For more info or register, visit our website: http://www.guardup.com/wsd.htm (781) 270-4800 The course involves lecture, interactive roleplaying and full contact physical training with a Padded Attacker. Meghan Gardner Executive Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com Burlington, MA USA "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: BIG Sean Madigan Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Will the Real TKD Please Stand Up! >>"What would you say, if a person says that you are not practicing/studying real TKD because it is not I.T.F. TKD??" Ah, an easy one...I would look them in the eye, smile just a bit and say "cool". Then just walk away. BIG Sean Madigan http://www.bigjkd.com ===== http://www.bigjkd.com BIG JKD.....where everything is done in a BIG way! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:48:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: WHAT??? My WTF is FAKE??? If I'd only known... > From: "Alagna, Steven M" > Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:06:14 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: Will the Real TKD Please Stand Up! > > Hello, > > What would you say, if a person says that you are not practicing/studying > real TKD because it is not I.T.F. TKD?? > > Steven M. Alagna Why say anything? Just smile because you know better. Kerry WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:03:23 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Palm Strikes Breaking the hand in combat is very easy to do when punching,,, my first style was Goju-Ryu,, many moons ago,, I remember punching the makiwara board over and over and over,, once I was attacked by a not to friendly individual and had to use some punches on him,,, guess what,, I broke my hand in the exact place you guys were talking about,,, I learned from this a couple of things,, 1) It is easy to keep your fist stable when you are hitting something that is totally stationary,, a lot more difficult when the target is moving all over!! 2) The human skull is much harder then you would actually believe!! This is one of the reasons I use palm stikes these days. Michael Tomlinson **************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at administrator@volusia.k12.fl.us. **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Punching If I could coat-tail on Johns' question..... The SABAKI Net had quite a discussion about the tendency of some schools/styles to allow (perhaps even encourage) raising the rear ankle and an attendent pivot of the foot on the ball to produce additonal thrust to the punch. Not being experienced in Boxing or familiar with Dempseys' material I would interested to hear anyones' views on this biomechanic. - ------------------------------------------------------ The question is do you want the hip to rotate or just the upper torso. The answer might give some clues to the muscle structure of the original teacher. Stronger legs and lower torso muscles, then you'll want to pivot the torso agressively around the waist/hips (very common in TSD). To take this one step further someone who does 100 kicks every class is going to have a stronger lower body than someone who punches a makiwara 100 times per class. To maximize the hip rotation the rear toes must turn forward or to exagerate inward, balance is better and rotation faster is you rise up on the ball of the rear foot. Keeping this rear heel elevated as in the small phasic bent knee stance also allows for quik avoidance moves rearward, by dropping the heel (moves the head back about 3 inches) Now if you have huge upper lats (see makiwara pounding above) you can generate enough rotation about the upper torso by keeping both feet flat in a very rooted method with the rear foot no more than 15 degrees outside of forward, and using the um-yang motion of pulling the non-punching hand back towards the ribs. Personally, I teach the rear heel up method for a couple of reasons... 1. It helps the student exagerate the hip rotation 2. It allows the non-punching guard to stay up without sacrificing rotational power generation 3. Moving the heel forward allows a little more penetration/extension 4. We free spar in the SPBK stance anyway Now onto the 4th metacarpal(sp?) I am quite familiar with this JKD styled (wing chun also I think) punch. I tried it but don't like it for the same reasons. We use much of the same mechanics as Dempsey, but still strike with the first two knuckles. Why? Instructor preference. I've never broken anything but the board/brick with my first two knuckles. I have seen several testings that people break the 4th and even 3rd metacarpal by leading with them...FWIW Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Master Frank Clay" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:21:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Real TKD I have had experience with this kind of thing as have many list members. Sadly, many schools propagate this attitude. Personally, I would simply ignore this kind of thing and not be too concerned. The point behind the Character "Mu" is to cease violence and confrontation. It is composed of two characters... to stop and conflict. Some people will never grasp this fact. Focus on the Mu and the Do of your training. I have a saying in class that I use when my kids start tatteling. "A farmer who pays too much attention to his neighbor's farm will grow nothing. Focus on your farm." Let them be small minded, as it is unlikely you will change it anyhow. Do the best YOU can, and then you will be close to the martial way. Frank Clay ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 9:20:08 PDT Subject: the_dojang: TSD in Albany, NY ??? Any pointers? I'm trying to help out someone that contacted me directly... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ============================================== > I have 3 children who have taken Tang Soo Do previously but we have now moved > & I can't locate a new school. We live in the area of Albany, NY (Clifton > Park) - Capital region. Any suggestions or referrals. > > Thanks. > MC ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Korea-mania in China fyi, Forwarded message: Dear all, I recently returned from Beijing and was struck by the rampant craze there for all things (South) Korean. The Chinese term, "Da Han liu," is freely translated as "Korea-mania" in, for example, the nightly South Korean pop music hour on the music video channel "V". "Hanguo (Hanguk)," as opposed to "Chaoxian (Choson)," restaurants are ubiquitous and seem quite popular. And so on. Something similar is apparently happening in Vietnam, whose young people have also recently gone crazy over South Korean pop culture. In the case of China, this obviously is related to the burgeoning economic and political relations between the ROK and the PRC, the political incorrectness of showing too much affection for Japanese and Taiwanese pop culture (and thus Korea wins by default), and other issues. But I wonder if anyone has looked seriously into this and has attempted to explain why the craze has taken off so dramatically at this point in time. This seems to me a fascinating phenomenon of intra-Asian cultural relations, and probably the first instance of such a major export of Korean culture into the continent in modern history. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Sincerely, Charles K. Armstrong Assistant Professor of History Columbia University ------------------------------ From: bredfield Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:51:58 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: e-mail martial arts?? I had to share this e-mail I recieved : ) this is for real?? Bernard Hello, White Tiger Master Shen Jiemao has created an innovative and new way to teach the martial arts. "E Mail Martial Arts". That's right, you can learn the White Tiger Style Kung Fu in your e mail. Go to http://home.earthlink.net/~shenjiemao/wt/index.html and sign up for your first free lesson. With this new system you can learn to defend yourself in your spare time and in the privacy of your own home. Don't let this opportunity pass you by. Thank You, White Tiger Kung Fu http://home.earthlink.net/~shenjiemao/wt/index.html Shen Jiemao whitetigerkungfu@earthlink.net ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 02:23:11 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Breaking Nick writes: > I am training with a makiwara, but currently I place it on the ground > to hit it. I have heard that mounting on a house exterior wall (e.g. a brick > wall) can cause damage to the wall long-term. Hello Nick: Conditioning hands is a serious business. Long ago, this may have been done because the practitioners life depended on it. Today, it is highly unlikely this is the case. Unless you need to have your hands conditioned, I would suggest you give this a second thought. Just take a look at your own sentence about long term damage to a wall. Can you imagine what will happen to your hands over the long haul? Will a damaged hand interfere with a future job? BTW, unless you are an adult with fully grown bones, don't even think about it. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:33:52 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #559 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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