From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #577 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 16 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 577 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #575 the_dojang: Names the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #568 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #573 the_dojang: Re: Bassai the_dojang: Re: The History of Bassai the_dojang: Re: Bassai the_dojang: USKMAF Seminar in Houston the_dojang: self defense the_dojang: Hapkido Forms? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dizzy S." Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:16:17 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #575 Nick wrote: <<<<>>>> Kewl! I never heard of (or seen) it done has a weapons form. I'll have to remember that when I get to the Bassai forms. I'll try anything once hehehehehe. Like high flying, flippin, jumpin kicks and almost bustin my a**! lol Tang Soo! Dizzy 5th gup TSD _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:12:23 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Names > As a side note I looked through "Forces of Taekwondo", authored by GM Sell, > 9th Dan Kukkiwon and there is a picture of GM Sell in 1962 standing in > front of a sign that reads "Tae Soo Do (Karate Gym)". Is Tae Soo Do > related to Tang So Do and maybe the reason for Bassai in USCKDA? In short, I believe the sequence of names used in the unification move of the 'karate-ish' arts in Korea went from Tang Soo Do & Kong Soo Do & Kwon Bup to Tae Kwon Do to Tae Soo Do back to Tae Kwon Do. Did I get that right? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:31:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #568 Hello from Seoul Korea to everyone on the digest! The training here is everything I have thought it would be and more! It was an honor to finally meet and train with My Master's (Hal Whalen) Grandmaster Won, Kil Soo . He epitomizes in my mind the meaning of Grandmaster. He is teaching us far more than Hapkido technique. I wish this was a longer trip... Hapki! Jacko ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:58:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #573 Ok, Lessen one, It is essential to balance your Kimchee intake with rice. Do not, I repeat, Do not Eat more than twice the amount of the rice you take in...... ;-) Jacko ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:36:52 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Bassai I find it interesting that even in Tang Soo Do, there is a marked difference in the forms between schools, in both background and techniques. In my notes, Bassai is "cobra pattern", while other schools considered it "Breaking the Fortress." To my mind the Bassai forms are like the cobra -- smooth, swift, and unpredictable. There's is almost no mirroring of techniques (So has three crescent kicks, one side kick and two front kicks, all but one of the front kicks is with the right leg) there is also two throwing techniques, blocking attacks from two opposite directions, and several unusual strikes. The more I see of KMA, the more I think that it covers a wider view then either the JMAs or the CMAs. Does anyone think that the KMA are fragmenting beyond recovery?? CraigR (not to be confused with CraigS) ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:34:17 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The History of Bassai Ken. I'm sorry, but I find it remarkably irresponsible [unprofessional] to copy the entire article and neglect to post the author's name. The author was Glenn Smits, Sah Bum Nim. Mr. Smits is a 7th dan in Tae Kwon Do [although you'd never hear "HIM" refer to rank] and a professional in oriental medicine. That "article" was copied [with permission] from an informal discussion of MDK instructors. Dana >From: "NESSWORTHY, KEN" >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:36:52 -0400 >Subject: the_dojang: RE: The History of Bassai > >I thought you may find this article of some interest. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:40:21 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Bassai On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 "T. Kennelly" wrote on Bassai >In the US Chung Do Kwan Association (USCDKA) Bassai is a required form for >second to third Dan testing.... Does anyone know of a web site that has >Bassai on video so we could compare the two versions described previously >(and, of course, the version I learned as part of USCDKA)? The USCDKA does a very similar version of Bassai major as that done in TSD. Pretty much the same roots as GM Sell learned the form in Tae Soo Do Chung Do Kwan prior to the introduction of the Palgues and TaeGueks. I believe his association still does at least two older forms, plus several "personal" forms reminiscent of the older forms. Dana _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17:38 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: USKMAF Seminar in Houston Howdy List, Just got back to the high country from another seminar. This one in Houston (Seabrook) TX. It was wonderful to see alot of old friends and list members out there workin' up a sweat. As usual Master West taught a great seminar and I think that there were quite a few folks there that learned that "being a beginner longer" is a good thing. I ended up teaching TKD techniques for most of the day, but I got to get some hands on Hapkido training later in the day. I would like to thank Dr. David Collup for taking time out of his busy schedule and helping Master West. Mac, as always, it was great to see you. Special thanks to Mike Kuns and the crew at Iron Dragon for hosting the seminar. Hope to see you all in March in MS (hopefully I will be more mobile by then). Train Hard, Rich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:19:26 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: self defense Louise, our dojang teaches self defense classes to private groups. It helps pay the rent and it is a great way to introduce hapkido to the general public. We are currently running a self defense program for a local 4h club and another for women in real estate. We provide talks and demonstrations to the local elementary schools, etc. Learning self defense through a course can be a little dangerous as the person may come away with a false sense of confidence; however I let them know that what they are learning is an introduction to hapkido and it is great for recruiting. If you have any questions, please let me know. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul ------------------------------ From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:30:03 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Forms? In my opinion, hapkido students have enough to practice without adding more to it and I have often seen technique practice diminish due to a over use of forms. With that said, we teach 3 basic forms to children to develop stances and basic motion and at a black belt level we teach adults weapons forms with the sword and the staff. In hapkido, one will truly know a technique when it is practiced repetitively 1) with a partner, 2) without a partner and 3) with your eyes closed. So in essence, when you practice a technique without a partner are you not practicing a form? Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 7:21:56 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #577 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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