From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #579 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 17 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 579 In this issue: the_dojang: Koizumi's Visit to Korea the_dojang: More on Bassai the_dojang: USKMAF Seminar in Houston the_dojang: Article on Sonmudo [none] the_dojang: TAT vs. TGT the_dojang: Hapkido and the Midwest, et al. (was Hyung Stuff) the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Two monumental events in recent Korea-Japan relations, former Japanese prime minister Tomiichi Murayamas 1995 statement and the 1998 Korea-Japan partnership declaration, marked the pinnacle of Japans repentance of its wartime deeds but what the countries which suffered from Japans militarism and colonial rule really expect from Japan are not words of apology, but actions. During his one-day visit to Seoul, Koizumi opened up a number of possibilities, which if implemented successfully, will lead to a real partnership between the two countries. For example, he promised to consider granting visa exemptions to Koreans visiting Japan, a long-standing demand by the South Korean government. It is still unclear whether Koizumi, who is trying to garner high approval ratings from the Japanese public, will take the bold steps envisioned in his summit talks with President Kim Dae-jung in spite of staunch opposition by Japans conservative forces and powerful bureaucracy. If not, his trip to Seoul will be recorded as an event which only boosted skepticism on the future of Seoul-Tokyo ties and raised questions about the relationship between them. The following are the future tasks the Koizumi government should tackle in cooperation with the Kim Dae-jung administration. Visa Japanese travelers to Korea dont bother to prepare documents and wait for several days to secure a visa, because they enjoy the privileges of a visa exemption. However, the Japanese government doesnt treat Korean nationals in the same manner, as they are one of the largest groups of illegal residents in Japan. Timed with the co-hosting of next years World Cup soccer finals, the two countries have agreed to explore ways to introduce visa exemptions for Koreans. They share the view that it is an issue to be tackled for the promotion of bilateral ties in spite of legal and institutional roadblocks, as the size of the two-way human exchange will reach over 4 million this year. As President Kim pressed Koizumi to take action on visa issue during a summit at Cheong Wa Dae, the prime minister pledged to ``consider it in the way President Kim suggested. The question is whether Koizumi really meant it in spite of opposition from Japans strong bureaucracy, particularly from the Justice Ministry, which is mindful of the possible surge of illegal Korean immigrants. A Seoul official said that the two countries would deal with this issue in future talks between senior officials of the Foreign and Justice Ministries. History Textbooks Seoul has long wished the Koizumi administration to take measures to prevent the recurrence of disputes during the Japanese governments future approval of school textbooks, as some of them have apparently been aimed at whitewashing Japans past wrongdoings. Prior to Koizum's trip, the diplomatic authorities of the two countries reached an understanding that it is desirable to create a joint committee, which could produce binding guidelines on textbook publications in the future. In fact, the two governments formed a joint committee for the promotion of history studies in July 1997 and received a report from the committee after a three-year study last year. However, the results of the report were not satisfactory because it was a private committee, capable only of making recommendations. During the summit, Koizumi proposed that a joint body of historians and experts from the two countries be formed, without mentioning the level of government intervention. In future talks, Korea wants Japan to agree to the formation of an authoritative committee, which could eventually lead to the joint publication of history textbooks. A Seoul official, citing a history textbook produced jointly by Germany and France, didnt rule out the possibility that the committee could follow suit. Yasukuni Shrine The Korean government wanted Koizumi to make a promise not to visit the Yasukuni Shrine, which honors Japans war dead, including executed war criminals. His visit to the war shrine on the eve of the Aug. 15 anniversary of Japans surrender in World War II triggered sharp criticism from both Korea and China. However, Koizumi didnt make any clear-cut remarks on this issue and only revealed his intention to establish a national cemetery to root out the sources of the controversy. Concerning his Aug. 13 visit to the Yasukuni Shrine, Koizumi said, "I paid the tribute to show my conviction that Japan should not start a war again. I am planning to examine ways to allow anybody in the world to pay their respects." A Seoul official said that the government would closely monitor how the Koizumi administration will pursue this issue of establishing a national cemetery. As Koizumi made no reference to this issue during his Oct. 8 visit to China, the official said that his statement made in Seoul, carries some weight. Saury Fishing During the summit, President Kim defined the ongoing dispute over saury fishing in waters off the Russian-held Southern Kurils as a commercial issue, while Koizumi said that it was a matter of Japans sovereignty. As Japan and Russia are on the verge of reaching an agreement on the ban of third countries fishing in the waters, the government has strongly demanded that Koreas traditional fishing rights be observed despite the agreement. A Seoul official said that the two countries will convene a high-level meeting between vice ministers or assistant ministers to address this issue, adding it is an urgent matter. Kim and Koizumi will deliberate further on this issue during their summit on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum in Shanghai, China, on Oct. 20, he said. Terrorism Despite worries over Japans alleged military expansionism in connection with its plan to dispatch forces in support of the U.S.-led international coalition against terrorism, Koizumi made clear his intention to push ahead with the plan during the summit. Kim expressed concern that any Japanese military deployment should be made within the framework of its pacifist constitution and in consideration of the neighboring countries concerns. Japan wants to send a flotilla of four or five warships, including Aegis-class destroyers, to provide non-combat support for U.S. forces. It would be the Japanese militarys largest foray since World War II. Koizumi stressed that Japanese forces dispatched to the war zone will not enter the combat zone, engage in combat, or resort to the use of weapons. ------------------------------ From: "Jung Su Dave" Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:04:10 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: More on Bassai It gets even more confusing, with the multiple variations of Bassai out there. A good historical write up can be found at the Shotokan web site: http://www.24fightingchickens.com/shotokan/kata/bassaidai.html http://www.24fightingchickens.com/shotokan/kata/bassaisho.html Additionally If you train under Grandmaster Seo. His Bassai Sho is completely (and I do mean Completely) different from the other Bassai Sho's out there. There is also the I heard recently the Bassai is a family name in Okniwa, and that there is land and a castle runis alos by that name. I haven't verified that yet, so to me its another story. D Hacker Chodan Jung Su ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:14:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: USKMAF Seminar in Houston I agree with Master Hodder about having a great time down in Houston this weekend with JR West. Master West and Dr. Collup put on an excellent seminar. I had a little 13 year old putting the hurt on me - which was interesting to see how effective the techniques were that a little girl could inflict so much pain on an old man (and she really enjoyed it too!) How many other kids get to dish out the punishment like that to their fathers? We missed you Jere. I hope to see everyone March 1-3 in Jackson MS! Mac ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Pratt" Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:37:55 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Article on Sonmudo FYI The following article will be of interest to those who want to combine religion with their martial arts practise. http://english.joins.com/Article.asp?aid=20011016223830&sid=600 Andrew ------------------------------ From: Charles Richards Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 05:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] Wanted to stay out of the Bassai/Pal Che thread because most of what I had to say has been said. But this caught my interest..... "one side kick and two front kicks I do not know where the two front kick come from, Hhmmmm must have dozed off or something. And you are right with the Serpent theme" Many Shotokan(Tote) become Tang Soo Do Kata/Hyung appear to be "Koreanized" with slightly different or higher kicks in the Korean version. For example Chinto was taught to me with the simo Front kick punch, but Funakoshi would teach Gankaku with a simo Side Kick punch, and so on... still the same form, just what us JKD concepts folks would call "instructor preference." I think the previous post about deeper meanings and accupressure names applies to the hyung names. Many who have a chinese/white crane history base to TSD would use animal names for the forms..Bassai - Cobra, Gankaku - Crane, Empi/Wan Su - Swallow, Kang Sang Koon - Eagle, and so on. The "breach a fortress" is also the most prevalent explanation/meaning I've seen in the TSD community. As to GM Sell (Who I've never met) and Bassai. Let us remember that GM Lee, Won Kuk is credited with founding Chung Do Kwan Tang Soo Do circa 1944 many claim months before Moo Duk Kwan began teaching Hwa Soo Do. If you began at the Chung Do Kwan some 40 years ago, I'd say you would be doing CDKTSD which would be Funakoshi Sensei's Tode/Karate with Lee Kwan Jang's "Korean Instructor Preference" (IMVHO) hence, Bassai/Pal Che would be a bread and butter pattern along with Naifanchi/Chulgi :-) Train with Jung Do in your hearts The rest is commentary, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:05:33 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: TAT vs. TGT David, In the old days in Texas we were required to learn Texan Armadillo Tossing long before we learned any Tibetan Gopher Throwing Techniques (TGTT). I learned TAT when I hit one in NW Houston (Jones Rd) with my heal at 50 mph on the Harley coming back from the dojang. Broke my heal. Seriously, I am glad you had a good time in Houston. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul ------------------------------ From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:05:28 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido and the Midwest, et al. (was Hyung Stuff) Bruce, it was indeed a pleasure having you and Anthony as a guest at the dojang. Obviously I will see you in Fort Wayne on November 13th, but we look forward to your return visit in December. <> I must confess that I currently run my seminars in the tradition of my teacher Master West:) It is by far the best method I have seen and it is a time proven method. After all, I have only been doing this for 28 years. He has much more time under his belt than I do. <<...Most of the Seminars are pressed to cater to the (s)lowest common denominator when it comes to attendees. The fact that you were able to find something for everyone to chew on is a tribute to the way you organized things. (Gee, I WONDER where you learned to do that? Couldn't possibly be the influence of some excellent Hapkido instruction of Mississippian Persuasion, could it? For the answer to this question meet me in Ft Wayne for M Wests' Seminar.) The more time I spend with you and M.West the more I come to appreciate the way information is dispensed at these classes. Its not so much that students are spoon-fed but that an atmosphere is developed where practitioners learn to fed themselves--- and enjoy doing it...>> GOOD NEWS!!! Anthony recently informed me that the Fairfield Inn (219) 489-0050 is having a special for $39 a night! I will send out a email to my students to see if anyone needs a roommate. <> Just a reminder folks, the deadline for pre-registration at Fort Wayne seminar is 10/26/01. This amounts to a $20 discount on registration. The pre-registration price is $55 for the day. You can obtain a registration form at http://www.awnewhapkido.com/Events.htm. If you have any questions you can send me a email - hkd@fuse.net. Jere R. Hilland PS. How many folks on this list plan on attending the Fort Wayne, Indiana Hapkido Seminar? If Bruce can drive from Chicago to Cincinnati to train with me for the day, everyone in the Midwest should be able to make the trip to Fort Wayne for a day of training with Master West. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 9:14:54 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #579 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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