From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #580 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 17 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 580 In this issue: the_dojang: Bassai the_dojang: RE: More Hyung Stuff [none] the_dojang: RE:The Method to my Madness the_dojang: Re: AOL 7.0 Re: the_dojang: Re: AOL 7.0 Re: the_dojang: Re: self defense the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:10:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Bassai Charles wrote:Wanted to stay out of the Bassai/Pal Che thread because most of what I had to say has been said. But this caught my interest..... "one side kick and two front kicks I do not know where the two front kick come from, Hhmmmm must have dozed off or something. I've seen in some of the Japanese/Okinawan versions they used front kicks where we would use crescent kicks. The side kick was usually below the knee and even at the ankle. They can also tend to use all back stances were we use front stances (now that was hard to get used to). Later - Mac (Training with Jung Do in my heart) ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:21:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: More Hyung Stuff Dear Charles et al: "....I think the previous post about deeper meanings and accupressure names applies to the hyung names. Many who have a chinese/white crane history base to TSD would use animal names for the forms..Bassai - Cobra, Gankaku - Crane, Empi/Wan Su - Swallow, Kang Sang Koon - Eagle,and so on. The "breach a fortress" is also the most prevalent explanation/meaning I've seen in the TSD community...." All this talk about Bassai, and by extension other Japanese/Okinawan kata leads me to ressurect a question I asked a while back and never received much of an answer to. As then, I will preface my question with the disclaimer that I am not intrested in arguing origins or lineage. Simply put I am curious about the following. Owing to the recent history, much of what is made of Korean traditions has no small emphasis on the relationship between Japanese traditions and their relationship to Korean traditions. Most commonly I have noticed questions about various Kata as they have been translated to or interpreted by Korean practices. This becomes very specific down to identifying specific techniques and specific Kata/hyung. My question to practitioners of Korean traditions is whether or not they also practice Forms from Chinese traditions. By this I mean that a Kata such as Bassai can be readily identified (in various interpretations) in a variety of Karate styles such as Shotokan, Shudokan, Shorin-ryu and Chito-ryu. Are there likewise, Forms readily identified in styles of Chinese Chuan Fa which have also been incorporated the Korean arts? I know that the Kuk Sool and HwaRangDo people practice arts whose biomechanics seem "more Chinese". Can anyone who practices the arts identify forms borrowed from Chinese boxing and give some information about their background. Rudy? Carsten? Steve? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:40:04 +0000 Subject: [none] hey there, Jere, glad to here from you, sorry I didn't get to see that impish smile in Houston, hope all is doing well in OhiO. I look forward to seeing you in Mississippi in March. I hope the ankle will be doing better by then. I think I need some advise on how to keep surgeons away from my legs, any suggestions???? these guys have interesting knife techniques: put them to sleep, then cut 'em. Works good, got any defense techniques I could use in that situation? see ya in March regardless, Rich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:52:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE:The Method to my Madness Dear Jere: "... How many folks on this list plan on attending the Fort Wayne, Indiana Hapkido Seminar? If Bruce can drive from Chicago to Cincinnati to train with me for the day, everyone in the Midwest should be able to make the trip to Fort Wayne for a day of training with Master West...". Thanks for the kudo-s. Training with you was worth whatever it took to make the trip, though there is another little piece that needs to be shared here as well. Sometime back there was quite a flurry of comments back and forth about organizations, personalities and the authenticity of what was being offered to the American public in the way of Hapkido instruction. In fairness to many of the posters in those discussions I must confess that I too remember when I first started training in MA. The sun rose & set on my instructor and all judgements I made at the time were done in light of whatever that man said and did. In the years since that time reverence for titles and positions has given way to reverence for sound practice, integrity and the responsibility of passing on an art to others which closely approximates what I have been taught. Now, I share all of that to say this. It is about a 6 hour drive from Chicago to Cincinnati, and had I driven to Jackson, Miss for the Internationale it would have been about 13 hours. I don't make these marathon road-trips because of an opportunity to meet/greet some famous personage or to be part of an activity which will make it into TKD TIMES. I make time for these trips because when I get there I know that I will see practitioners of an extraordinary range of arts all accomodated and supported. Maybe this would not be so surprising were the seminar organized by a particular art for its members. However, these seminars have been attended by advocates of Aikido, Karate, Judo, TKD, HKD and a host of other arts and it is nothing short of amazing how everyone seems to walk away with a lot more than they expected to. I will be at Ft Wayne because I know that seminar will provide me a chance to train with people who are intrested in working in an atmosphere of support and acceptance. No matter how much I bring to the seminar, I have always walked away with a lot more. Many thanks to you and M West for all your hard work. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:14:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: AOL 7.0 hi ray, for those of us poor saps still using AOL, do you know if the 7.0 version is compatible with the list? just wondering if i should upgrade to 7.0 or not. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:34:47 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: AOL 7.0 > hi ray, > for those of us poor saps still using AOL, do you know if the 7.0 version is > compatible with the list? just wondering if i should upgrade to 7.0 or not. > melinda Sorry, don't know. But it should if it allows you to switch from 'Rich Text' to 'Plain Text' email, e.g. as in Hotmail. The msg you sent was in Plain Text. But with AOL 6 there is also this (attached) workaround to 'fix' the 6.0 problem... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Info on how to send non-HTML (plain text) mail to the list for those using AOL 6.0. Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:19:45 EST Subject: the_dojang: AOL 6.0 and HMTL email According to the gurus at AOL the only way to send a plain text email message in 6.0, is to click on the explorer icon (or navigator) enter aolmail.aol.com. It can't be done from the program to date. Hope this helps Ray. Frank ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:05:16 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: self defense > Sorry, I didn't make my post very clear. I was talking about a course of > basic self defense for my 'academic' school, not martial arts...just basic > what to do if someone grabs you stuff. It's an all girls school, I was > guessing mainly 12-16yr olds would be interested as the older girls already > have a similar (very popular) course running.What I was mainly wondering was > whether American schools (academic) run courses on self defense and avoiding > dangerous situations. Sounds like this might be a good topic for several sessions of PE classes or even a Health class (or whatever that might be called these days). Any one seen something like that in the school systems? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:12:50 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #580 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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