From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #591 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 23 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 591 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #590 Re: the_dojang: Korean ethnic background the_dojang: Ji training in Florida the_dojang: Kodokan Judo the_dojang: Punch names the_dojang: Matthew's stretch the_dojang: Risk the_dojang: TSD forms the_dojang: Argue the_dojang: Promotion the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #590 Tang So Do Forms the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #590 Korean ethnic background the_dojang: Victory based promotions the_dojang: WTF, ITF, ATF the_dojang: Thanks and Hawaii the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #590 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IndyAnny@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:01:28 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #590 In a message dated 10/22/01 7:33:57 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << But then I guess as a second class martial arts citizen (read American) that's why my tuition is less than half the "authentic" Korean.... Anybody else running a club get this? >> We have joked from time to time when confronted with the "Original Korean Lineage" that maybe our clients would be more at ease if we went to a local nursing home and borrowed an elderly Asian gentleman to sit in the corner on a mound of pillows and just look wise. Of course there would have to be rules. No one could talk to him except our master instructor and our wise man wouldn't be allowed to actually speak except through his interpreter our master instructor. What do you think? I suppose until the time that the general populous can see the lineage is in the art and not only in the blood, creative solutions will always be batted back and forth. Thank you, Angi ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:01:37 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Korean ethnic background > Anybody else running a club get this? I'd say this is a fairly common occurrence. In business one usually markets what they have to sell, using whatever advantage they can. So if you're Korean, you market that. If you're not Korean, you should find a way to market that. And always remember to insert a bit of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) about your competitors. :) A problem can come up when as a club you really don't think of yourself as a business and thus may not market yourself as aggressively as your competition does. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:15:40 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Ji training in Florida To all on the list just let me add my two cents on the Doju Nim Ji Han Jae training at Rick Nabors Dojang in Tampa,,, this will be my fifth time "I think", going over to Rick's to train with Doju Nim Ji,,,I wouldn't miss it for anything,,, come on down and train,,, Rick runs a great Dojang and treats everyone like family,,, I'll be there with a few of my guys,,, I think Master Whalen will be there with some of his people and of course Doju Nim Ji will be using us for his own personal play dolls!!!! Pain recieved from this man is an honor!! OK don't worry,, he only demonstrates on the people he knows,, and the more he knows you the more it hurts,,, it is awesome to have him explain and demonstrate Hapkido,, if you haven't worked out with him you are truly missing a piece of Hapkido history. Michael Tomlinson **************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at administrator@volusia.k12.fl.us. **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:05:54 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Kodokan Judo > .... Professor Jigoro Kano redesigned Jujitsu as a sport so we have > Judo. from what I understand, Dr. Kano was less interested in making Judo a sport, more interested in making it a way (Do) to develop one's body and mind. Wasn't it Kyuzo Mifune (Judo's 4th ever Judan) that pushed the 'Judo as a sport' movement? BTW, talk about fast rank advancement... Mifune obtained his Kodokan Judo 1st Dan in just over one year of practice and then was promoted to 2nd Dan just 4 months later(c.1904). But then he was great and I suck... FWIW, from A History of the Kodokan: "Mifune's influence on post-war Judo cannot be underestimated. His skill was perhaps the most elegant ever seen at the Kodokan. His dynamic and fluid Judo was a natural basis for the explosive development of sport Judo around the world. Indeed, Trevor Leggett, a frequent visitor to the Kodokan over many years, remarked that Judo was much "rougher" at the Kodokan prior to World War II, as opposed to afterward. This was, perhaps, the influence of Mifune." This is were some claim that Yudo is closer to Kano's original Kodokan Judo than is the Judo currently practiced in Japan or the USA today. ?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:36:23 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Punch names This is some of ours. Ha Dan Mahk Ki .... Low block Sang Dan Mahk Ki .... High block Choong Dan Kong Kyuk .... Center Punch Sang Dan Kong Kyuk .... High Punch Ahneso Phaku Ro Mahk Ki .... Inside/outside block Phakeso Ahnu Ro Mahk Ki .... Outside/inside block Whang Jin kong kyuk ..... side punch Sang Soo .... Two hand block Yup Mahk Ki .... Side defence Soo Do .... Chop or knife hand block Ha Dan Soo Do Mahk Ki .... Low chop Choong Dan Soo Do Mahk ki .... Center Chop Yuk Soo .... defence punch (knife hand block, reverse punch) Kwan Soo .... Spear hand Ha Dan Ssang Soo .... Two hand low defence Sang Dan ssang Soo .... Two hand high defence The spelling may be wrong lol. But this is the way the IMA says things. Tang Soo! Dizzy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:33:33 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Matthew's stretch Matthew stated: > I would like to know if someone could tell me some effective leg stretches, > i am trying to do the splits, toes pointing forwards one(HARD ONE!) and i > have got so far but i cant seem to go any further even if i stretch to the > limit every day? Check out Brad Appleton's stretching FAQ at: http://www.enteract.com/~bradapp/docs/rec/stretching/ Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:35:29 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Risk Only those who risk going too far will ever know just how far they can go. ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:18:14 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: TSD forms Craig wrote: <<<>>> From what I can see, yes. The Naihanchi forms are very "intense" looking. They are all in horse stance (we also have three Naihanchi forms), and a lot of blocks and strikes. It looks tiring to me lol. I like the elevator thing lol. Tang Soo! Dizzy 5th gup www.imahq.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:33:11 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Argue Michael writes: > Kind of like Howard Hughes in his latter years!! I would rather > stay on the DD Digest and argue with Ken, Rudy and Bruce,,, Who, Me, Argue??????? BTW, Ray, I do enjoye the posts you contribute. Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:42:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Promotion Tom writes: > Just wanted to share with the list that I received my Cho Dan promotion Congratulations Tom! Best wishes for a great future in the martial arts. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "NESSWORTHY, KEN" Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:45:02 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #590 Tang So Do Forms Craig, Yes, we have the same three Naihanchi hyungs in our school and we show the students the importance of the hyung i.e. horse stance for low centre of gravity. I also like to teach it on a low wooden bench about 9 inches high after they have been learning it for a few months, it is amazing how many students lose their balance while doing it on the bench. My old instructor told me that it meant iron horse and that you are fighting/defending with your back against a wall that is why it is only the left and right moves in it. has anyone else got a different view I wonder. regards Ken Shinson Tang Soo Do ------------------------------ From: "NESSWORTHY, KEN" Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:44:58 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #590 Korean ethnic background Charles, I may have strayed from your original post on Korean ethics but here goes. I replied to a post a while ago on a subject concerning training costs and it seemed that yet again I opened a hornets nest. I don't charge a lot for my students, 2.50 UK pounds for a senior for a 2 hour lesson (I think that's around $4 per class) and 1.25 for a dragon and 1.50 for a junior. The money that is taken in goes straight back into the school funds after the hall hire has been paid. I found because of the price difference between other schools in my area that we see parents amazed at how low we keep the costs. The same goes with supplying their do bhoks, we add 1.00 to cover postage + the trade price. We now have a big school with a number of classes being regularly full and are possibly looking at putting a waiting list on some of them, we also now have a very healthy back account which all my students benefit by i.e. new training equipment, social evenings, demo, visiting masters, the list goes on. Please note this is how I run my school and it is not intended to upset anyone who is trying to make it their living, I am strictly part-time as are all my instructors. Regards Ken Shinson Tang Soo Do ------------------------------ From: Rex Laughlin Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:53:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Victory based promotions Hello, I am doing research for my school on what we call Victory Based Promotions and would like ideas of others on this subject. This research will go into a pamphlet for parents describing how promotions are awarded based on achievement vs. potential. Not all students have the same ability, mentally or physically, so we have rank promotions based on what they can do with what they have. I am basically looking for ideas on how to explain this idea. Rex Laughlin ------------------------------ From: "Ingold, Brian CONTRACTOR" Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:00:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: WTF, ITF, ATF Hello All, I have just reached my 5th gup and am beginning to enjoy the practice of TKD as a life-style and not a just a hobby. Starting at the age of 33 was good clean fun (read: hard-work, but very rewarding). I also feel fortunate that the school I attend has good roots (my instructor is a 4th dan who has been learning from the same GM for 27 years). One question I have for the List is regarding the relationships between the WTF, ITF, and ATF (My GM is affiliated with the American TaeKwonDo Black Belt Federation). Anyone care to make commentary? I've been reading from the web for about 4 months and would be interested in learning why I don't see much ATF content (and why it would even matter). Brian from Iowa ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:10:35 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Thanks and Hawaii Just got back from a few days in Boise where I was giving two workshops at a convention. Interesting to see the Hawaii posts and how that has to come up every so often. I have to laugh. I just received a copy of my new videos from Paladin Press. The funny thing is: Two years ago when I was kicked off the other list for posting here, I was told that I didn't know anything, I could only impress yellow belts, and none of my rank was real. The funny thing is that the same week I was booted from there and called those things I got word from Paladin that they wanted to do this new two video set, and now it's done and will be for sale soon. Anyway, the real reason to write this morning is to thank Vic and Ray for the info on the book my friend Tom is looking for. I passed on the info you gave to him. Thank You! Better get to work and catch up after being gone so long. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:57:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #590 Congratulations Tom, Glad to hear you made it! Tang Soo!! from Region 6. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 6:58:51 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #591 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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