From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #605 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 28 Oct 2001 Vol 08 : Num 605 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: "Be Careful what you ask for" File the_dojang: Re: Hyung stuff the_dojang: Re: Looking for a School, etc. the_dojang: Korean sword? the_dojang: Looking for a school in Frederick, MD area/DC area the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #604 the_dojang: Re: Shotokan the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #604 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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What I mean is, after the school, teacher, and art get finished doing all the compromising, adjusting, deferral and consideration, other than the money one pays for such lessons, what is it exactly that this student would bring to the activity apart from his own narcissistic pre-occupation with themselves. Since said student is expressing only a marginal investment in a relationship with the school, art or teacher, maybe we need to be looking for an art that makes only marginal demands, has a marginal curriculum, marginal credibility but maximum authenticty. How about this: Said pupil goes into a slum bar on a Friday night, picks out the biggest guy and spits in his beer. When said pupil gets out of the hospital, we send him back to the bar for round two. Alternate program: Said pupil is sent into the local crack house wearing a Kevlar helmet and DEA sweatshirt. Repeat as above. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:42:37 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hyung stuff Dear McD: ".....annoyed at my school. To advance you have to know x number of forms and weapon forms. OK, no problem. But, the teaching of the forms is catch-can. Sporadic....." No apology necessary. I am beginning to realize that a lot of the aversion that many students have to hyung is because self-touting GM don't know how to teach them or incoporate them into the curriculum. Being a MA teacher is a helluva lot more than strapping on a BB and collecting fees. By the same token, being a MA practitioner is a helluva lot more than showing up for class and paying your fees. Whether its the teacher or the student following a martial way is either something you incorporate into your daily life and make a system by which you conduct your life and its affairs. Expecting the guy with the store front to somehow magically/mystically form you into a lethal machine, independent of your investment, is the stuff of Madison Avenues' You-deserve-to-have-it-all-without-working fantasy. Time to wake up. Is that coffee I smell? :-) Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:16:56 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Looking for a School, etc. In a message dated 10/28/01 10:55:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << So, got any references or referrals ? >> I'm not sure they'll take you, but what you want sounds like Navy Seal training OR Marine Corps Military Police. ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:26:13 EST Subject: the_dojang: Korean sword? Is there any authoritative writing on the background of the Korean sword out there? The reason why I ask is that unlike Japan or even China, there does not seem to be a dominate style of weapon design or sword art. I have read that Korean sword art was more personal choice then cultural, and the swords would vary from noted warrior to warrior. On a website that makes and sells swords, they have a product they call a Korean sword. The best way to describe it, it looks like a stright blade Katana with a smaller hand guard. I have seen simular swords, without hand guards, used in Korean Martial Arts. Is this really a Korean sword, or just something to try and seperate the Korean sword art from the heavy influence of the Japanese sword arts? I really want to know. ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:42:55 EST Subject: the_dojang: Looking for a school in Frederick, MD area/DC area In a message dated 10/28/2001 10:55:35 AM EST, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Looking for a cool school in Frederick, Maryland and DC area. Here is my wish list for a school: - - Little if any forms. - - Many real life drills. - - Using realistic, urban oriented weapons. - - Not too hung up in learning about traditions, cultures, what Korean Kwan or other political mumbo jumbo. - - Boxing, judo, hapkido, stick fighting, knives, bombs, machetes, etc. cool. - - How to deploy, get in and get the heck out. - - How to deal with muggers, juiced up junkies, and armed attackers. - - How to deal with assault specialists who want my money and on are crack or some other drug. - - Not worried about fancy smancie kicks, breaking boards, Hyungs, Myungs, or fungs. - - Realistic drills, throwing techniques, batons, knives, guns, daggers, belt knives, boot knives, kerambits, canes. Yes, good. - - Don't want tournaments, association fees, or worrying about impressing Mu Guy Gai Pan. - - After the introductory respects, do not want to bow before every drill or technique. Want to test under realistic life assaults. Forget about how many Dans I can attain. - -Want good bag drills, good sparring techniques, e.g., how to target knees, eyes, groin, face, and other important areas. - - Don't want to deal with Affiliated Credit Association or other A-hole agencies who charge me a late fee if I am one day late. - - Want an instructor who will work with me on my limited schedule. After all, I have a life. I am a father, have other interests, and work 10 hour shifts. - - Learning how to use concealed weapons also good. In short, I have about 10 good years left. Doc told me to take it easy. But I attract trouble. So, don't have time for worrying about what Hyung is well balanced or properly done. So, got any references or referrals ? Thanks, McD... Disclaimer: The above request is submitted by a sole practitioner. This individual does not diminish the wishes or training practices of other artists. __________________________________________________ >> Well, You managed to rule out nearly all the MA I have familiarity in.........^_^ I will refrain from a discussion on your wish list, because you seem to be looking for something that is outside my own experence. You may want to look for a SCAR school or Krav Manga (sp) school -- they might be what you're looking for. That being said, you could try the Korean Martial Arts Research Association. They're located in Bowie, MD. Their website is http://www.kmara.org/ . It's run by Head Master Al Gauthier, who not only has a 25-year background in the Martial Arts, he also has a background in law enforcement (PG County and MD Park Police). Maybe you can work out something with him. Craig ------------------------------ From: DWoods321@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:00:29 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #604 Dear Bruce, That is correct and really is what I was trying to put across. Just a little differently. Also the deal about dipping into other arts is correct. Actually the bunkai was always taught with the forms prior to Miyagi, Mabuni and their contemporaries it was just kept secret. They are the ones to really have started to teach karate commercially (not commercially by today's standards though) and they also were the ones to teach bunkai openly. After the Japanese authorities got a hold on karate that was when they "suggested" he change this and that. Really though he had changed it quite a bit already. Nagamine Sensei verbally reprimands Funakoshi Sensei in his book "The Essence of Okinawan Karate-Do" for changing alot of these things. My intention in writing that article was not to start a flame war and it doesn't look like it has thank God. My intention was to get feedback on what folks like, dislike and think is relevent and irrelevent in their forms sets and form's training. Take care and God Bless! Tang Soo! David Woods ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:25:33 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Shotokan In a message dated 10/28/2001 6:50:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Come to think of it, I wonder if thats why practitioners of Shotokan and TKD both have routinely had to dip into arts outside their practice such as Hapkido, Aikido, Judo, Yudo, etc to fortify their hoshin sool (self-defense) techniques. >> I have a friend that really loves his Shotokan dojo where he trains ... they are awesome fighters and kata people ... as long as it is other Shotokan people they are fighting. When he got hired to be a bouncer at a big club ... he ran up here to my school and begged me to teach him some self defense. HUH ? He also went to some Aikido friends of his for advice also. I am an eclectic art ... so I taught him some basic things I thought he could use in close counter encounters ... and when surrounded by many people and had to work fast. All he was taught at his dojo was a good solid reverse punch would end an assault ... but when you are not allowed to hit a person ... now what do you do ? They don't touch on controlling techniques in their school, I guess. So we went over alot of basics on that. I asked him if he had any police officer friends and he had one ... and I said ask him for help, also, as he can tell you what you can legally do or not do as far as being a bouncer. Well, with all his friends help ... he survived his 6 month stint as a bouncer ... and he still studies Shotokan with a vengence. To each his own. :-) Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:26:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #604 In a message dated 10/28/2001 6:50:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << And, time is running out. Like I said the Doc gave me the 10 year time limitation >> Is this for real or make believe ? Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:26:11 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #605 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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