From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #615 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 2 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 615 In this issue: the_dojang: Headed to MD the_dojang: NK email the_dojang: No tests the_dojang: breakfalls the_dojang: RE: Teach your children well the_dojang: 31st Annual CAN-AM Classics the_dojang: Korean sword the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. R. West" Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:10:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Headed to MD I am closing up the school on Thursday night and will depart beautiful Jackson International (?) Airport for this weekends seminar at Global HapKiDo at Hampstead, MD. I hope to see a few list mebers there, and I KNOW that there will be several of you in Ft. Wayne, IN on the weekend of the 10th of Nov.. Be safe, everyone, and have a great weekend...J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:02:46 PST Subject: the_dojang: NK email Maybe we'll get some (rich) NK ITFers subscribed to our list soon... :) Ray +++++++++++ North Korea Allows Citizens, Foreigners to Use e-Mail Service November 1, 2001 North Korea has begun allowing its citizens to exchange e-mail messages with foreigners for the first time. The Unification Ministry said that North Korea launched Silibank (www.silibank.com), an e-mail service for both North Koreans and foreigners, on Oct. 8. Silibank has two servers, one in Pyeongyang and another in Shenyang, China. "Sili" means "actual benefit" or "utility" in Korean. The service, which runs on a paid membership basis, allows users to exchange e-mails with North Korean residents who have the same @silibank.com Ids. The service will be offered gratis for the first six months and for its first 100 members. Thereafter, members need to pay $100 in registration fees, plus a deposit, to use communication lines. These fees make it all but impossible for most North Koreans to actually use the e-mail service. There is no limit to the number of e-mails that can be sent, but sending e-mails abroad costs users extra money. The cost of sending an e-mail abroad is set according to the amount of data being transmitted. For example, an e-mail message smaller than 10KB costs $1.50 to send. POP3 features using Microsoft Outlook Express are also being offered as part of the service. The North's moves to start an e-mail service for its citizens are seen as part of its ongoing efforts to catch up with the rest of the world in the information technology sector. While Internet use is strictly controlled in North Korea, the country has been working to improve its computer networking between various educational and administrative bodies. So far, foreigners in North Korea have depended on foreign e-mail servers, via expensive international phone lines, for instant correspondence. "There's also the possibility that North Korea might soon become more open in regards to Internet service," a South Korean government official commented. Currently, North Korea operates three Internet sites, including the Chosun Infobank (www.dprkorea.com), a profit-oriented site that has been operating from BeijingUs branch of the Pan-Pacific Economic Development Association of Korean Nationals since 1999. ------------------------------ From: BTBEACH@aol.com Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:57:30 EST Subject: the_dojang: No tests I was wondering what the list thought of this situation: A dojang that has not tested anyone for Black Belt in almost 3 years. There are six first gups, most who have been at that rank for 2 or 3 years. Most attend at least 2 classes a week, some more. I've heard theories from others saying that the dojang is just stringing them along because they help instruct in class, perform tasks for the dojang and the instructor etc (ie they're handy to have around). The official line from the dojang is they are not ready to test. They don't have a black belt attitude. The dojang has very few (read 2 or 3) students above 6th gup. Its seems that they have a hard time holding on to students. Any advice or theories(private or public) would be helpful. Gamsamnida in advance, Brian ------------------------------ From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:34:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: breakfalls <> Good luck with the new mats. We never have a problem with the adults either, but then again, we are a hapkido dojang and everyone learns a front roll, front fall, and back fall on the first day of class. We do them daily like a taekwondo school would do forms. But then again, the class area of the dojang is a 3" suspended floor. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:34:38 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Teach your children well Dear Libby: "...It would bother me if children of mine were taught to flip and throw... but not that kicking at a knee or jabbing fingers to the eyes can be just as effective. In a society where we seen to be so concerned about violence, I was really bothered by this whole scene....." I know what you are saying and I am sure you remember the exchange we had a while back about whether Hapkido should be taught to kids, and exchanges about whether Hapkido taught to kids and modified for their age bracket could actually be considered true Hapkido. Remember that? OK, so now I turn up the heat a little bit. I understand that teaching kids some aspects of KMA can be disconcerting. I also understand that we MA teachers have misgivings about how the students may use what we teach them, and, by extension, what liability we may incurr if the student mis-uses what we teach them, yes? You must, then, appreciate how I have stuck to the belief that MA is not now, nor has it ever been, meant for general consumption by the public at-large. To give you a parallel, I will remind you of incidents that came up during the Persian Gulf War in which enlistees to the US military suddenly balked at going into a combat area. The rationale they presented was, "well, gee, we enlisted in the military for the benefits, but I never thought I would actually have to go and fight!" MA training is the same thing, that way. Why are you learning to punch, kick, throw and pin with power and accuracy if you don't want to use such skills and ability when the situation presents itself? Why would you teach kids to kick, punch, throw or pin an opponent unless you will willing to accept the responsibility that a situation might arise in which the kid would use their skills? Are you aware what a confusing mixed message can be sent to kids with their immature intellectual abilities---- here's how to incur pain and damage, but thats not good, so don't do this. What's worse is to tell the kids that such skills are only to be used under the "right circumstances." Libby, if the kid was intellectually developed enought to make that determination they would not need have the educational process we put them through in our school systems! They would essentially already BE adults!. When it comes to this issue of educating folks---especially kids--- in KMA I come back to the line from APOCALYPSE NOW when Capt Willard states, "Never get out of the boat..... unless you are willing to go all the way." Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Kevin Janisse Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:05:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: 31st Annual CAN-AM Classics In Sa, Too all tournament goer's. Grandmaster Rudy Timmerman is hosting his Annual CAN-AM Classics Tourny for the 31st year. The tournament is held on Saturday November 17th, 2001 in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada. There will be a seminar held Friday evening for the long distance travelers (like myself) at the headquarters. It is a great time and a good party in the evening. Grandmaster Eugene Huemesky will also be honoring us with his presence and Grandmaster Daniel Verkerke from will be coming all the way from Cambridge, Ontario. Any questions, contact myself (sabumnym@excite.com) or Grandmaster Timmerman (kwanjang@nkmaa.ca). Best wishes, Kevin M. Janisse _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ From: "Michael Choi" Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:54:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Korean sword Before I got too big for my britches, I haven't learn sword self-defense techniques (hoshinshool) yet. I learned hapkido jook-do basic strikes: downward slash, 45 degree slice at the neck area, 45 degree slice at the torso, 45 degree slice at the leg. I've never seen sword play in a strictly hapkido school. Bruce, I like your point about extant historical material on the sword and making the effort to restore it. I think Lee is making a valid effort in the area of Muye Dobo Tongji. Chosun Sebub (not Chosun Kumbub) comes from a extant Chinese text, Mu Jee Bee (spelling mine). The Daehan Kumdo Hae seems to be very dedicated in incorporating it as well as Bon Kuk Kum Bup. Heck, I would take it up, except for the fact that I would like to learn the whole hapkido chundokwan curriculum. I wouldn't have training time to seriously learn Kumdo. BTW: if I had a choice to study a Korean sword style, personally I'd rather learn hae dong kumdo because they progressively work toward using a real sword. Kumdo/Kendo, in general, seems to be a sport. I've never been much into sport/competition. I'd rather learn a traditional martial art. (Oops, I probably stepped on a lot of Kumdo toes. Feel free to correct me.) Michael Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:02:19 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #615 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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