From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #621 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 6 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 621 In this issue: the_dojang: Feathers the_dojang: Attitudes the_dojang: model mugging for self defense the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #620 - Teach your children well the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #620 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:55:02 EST Subject: the_dojang: Feathers <> Hello Rudy, Feathers are all in place ... not mad ... not sad ... Enjoyed your post on the good ol' days of old time workouts. Illona ------------------------------ From: "Andrew Pratt" Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:14:58 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Attitudes Bruce wrote: >> Michael to pitch in. I think you are right-- there isn't any "secret" material as such. So why are the people who are in a position to know not more forthcoming with what they DO know! Anybody can sit back and say "I have read what you have to say, R/E, but you still have not gotten it QUITE right. Maybe one of these days....." << At a wild guess I offer the following: 1. Guilt complex - If people know the truth they won't train with me 2. Inferiority complex - People won't think I'm good if I say it comes from the heart 3. Korean need to show authority through lineage 4. Me too - These stories are in Chinese and Japanese martial arts (I know because I've seen them in the cinema) so Korean mas need them too. Interestingly, Tolkein apparently created Lord of the Rings because he thought English literature needed a grand tale like Viking and Germanic lore. More cynically: 5. Marketing ploy - builds mystique 6. Want to keep the money rolling in Andrew ------------------------------ From: FGS & KVF Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:05:12 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: model mugging for self defense hello, I just had an awesome experience that I thot I would share so that anybody who has wanted to try to defend themselves in an adrenaline charged environment will have a organization to contact. I spent the weekend at a model mugging course put on by a local chapter of IMPACT. This is a nationwide non-profit group that puts on self-defense courses for men, women and teens. They teach the interview process that occurs with potential attackers, how to defuse a situation and how to defend oneself when the attack can not be verbally stopped. It is a very intense and intensive course. The one I took was for a long weekend altho 5 week courses exist as well. The courses are separated into men and women as the approach to attackers is different depending on the gender of the approached person. Males who attack males are looking to provoke a fight and so push at the target. Men are taught how to give way and back down so as to defuse the situation if possible with words. Males who attack females are looking for the opposite target type. They want someone they can intimidate and who will back down and give control to them. So, women are taught how to stand their ground and make their opinions heard and firmly. The muggers are in 6 inch padding all over and the techniques taught are ones we all possess already, even those of us with no MA training, which is why it is so successful. Knees, elbows, palm strikes, eye strikes, and full commitment to the situation. Unlike some MA where the kicks and techniques take years to make ones own, these few techniques are easy to teach to non-MA. It was amazing to see the difference in attitude and fighting from day one to 3. The participants were not ready to take on the world but the men in the mugging suits were going all out, and you could see how the skills taught in the weekend course were being used successfully. They had graduates of classes in the past, some 3 years ago, who participated in the graduation muggings, and these people did the same techniques and were also successful. The northern Ca chapters in the Bay area (BAMM) and in Sacramento (CCMM) offer courses on weekends, and during the week. Basics, intro, advanced, reviews, and multiple plus weapon assailant classes. Anyone interested in learning more, pls. feel free to contact me. This is not an advertisement, it is simply an option which I wanted to let people know about who are concerned about their safety, have past incest or rape situations, or who feel unsafe in their world. I recommend it highly, as it gives you an opportunity to test out all out power on padded attackers, and not have to pull techniques or pretend to aim at the groin, eyes, neck etc. It was a real confidence booster for me. sincerely, Spunky ------------------------------ From: "David N. Beck" Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:04:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #620 - Teach your children well Bruce said: > Kids are kids, they are NOT little adults. >Ask yourself if you would let kids wander around social situations with >loaded guns and then remember the kids who killed his playmate with >wrestling holds or the two kids that beat a small child to death in England >with rocks. Depends on the kid and the age. I would not hand ANYONE a loaded weapon without them having some training on how and WHEN to use it. That goes for MA techniques too. But with the proper training I have no problem with everyone going around armed down to as young as 10 years old. Below that down to 6 or 7 under controlled circumstances such as a firing range. 3-5 should be taught the Eddie Eagle program (Stop. Don't Touch. Leave the Area. Tell an Adult.) All training is in stages as people are ready to handle it. I don't remember for sure, but I believe in each of the cases you mention it came out that the kids involved DID know what they were doing, knew it was wrong, and did it anyway. No, they're not little adults. They need to play, to create, to grow emotionally and intellectually as well as physically. But they will rise or sink to the level of your expectations more often than not. I just think your level of expectations is a little low. David N. Beck, WATT Lead Engineer Internet: David.Beck@usa.alcatel.com Phone: 972-519-3103 Address: MS SDVS-2, 1000 Coit Road, Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: "Michael Choi" Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:46:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #620 Honestly, I'd rather defer to Andrew with regards to Korean history. Like I said, I forgot a lot of my Korean history. I do agree with Andrew on the overall lack of martial art tradition in Korea. After King Sejong instituted neo-Confucianism as the official state ideology of the Chosun Kingdom, martial arts was practically condemned by Korean society. The Japanese during their annexation of Korea didn't need to force Korean martial art traditions underground; Korean society was doing a good job at that. Although in feudal Japan, it was both necessary and honorable to teach martial arts in order protect the warlord and to train his armies, Koreans entered a period of relative domestic peace from the Unified Silla period and through the Chosun Dynasty. Korean historians agree that feudalism never took root in Korea as it did in Japan. There were peasant revolts, but I doubt any were trained in systematic, military-style combat. The powerful elite of Korea, yangban (aristocrats) spent little time learning martial arts and more time on study of the classics (Confucius, etc.). Officers did not have high standing the royal court and were constantly subject to abuse and scorn. They were instances of the burning of general's beards for fun at royal court parties. Such grievances led to military coups. Fighting was considered brutish, thuggish, and primitive. So, since Koreans did not assign much social value to martial arts, I believe that Koreans made little effort, if any, to preserve their martial arts tradition, outside of the military. Michael Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 8:39:53 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #621 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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