From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #628 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 9 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 628 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: UK (Ken Nessworthy) the_dojang: speaking of Birthdays the_dojang: RE: cane techniques the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #627 the_dojang: Real cane the_dojang: USMC B-Day the_dojang: Cane Technique development the_dojang: Book: Karate Jutsu, the Original Teachings of Master Funakoshi the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smith Gordon A SSgt 423ABS/SFOD Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:50:25 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: RE: UK (Ken Nessworthy) I am from the U.S. but I live in the UK. I live in Peterborough. How about you? Han Gordon 2-sends... 1st Dan, Hanmudo ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:50:56 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: speaking of Birthdays happy birthday to the United States Marine Corp 10 November 1776. OORAH and Semper Fidelis to all the Devil Dogs on the list. Rich (74-76) and every day there after _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Kirk Lawson Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: cane techniques > From: "rich hodder" > Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:11:50 +0000 > Subject: the_dojang: cane techniques > > Dear List, > > While I usually don't ask to many questions or for that > matter answer many, > I do have questions regarding the use of the cane in self > defense. I have > witnessed many very good cane techniques in demonstration and > class/seminar > conditions mostly by Master West and Master Whalen. My > question arises from > my unfortunate need to have to use a cane to walk at this > point. When one > can't move well or at all, what techniques work best. In > other words when > you need the cane to stand, can you still use it effectively for self > defense, joint locks and throws? > > Thanks in advance for your advise, > Rich Chas Clements is a Silat practicioner with bum knees. He's put together a vid called "Combat Cane for Criples" and covers techs that include using the cane while leaning against a doorframe, etc. http://www.amagnetic.com/kuntao.html Quote: Chas Clements' Cane Combat for Cripples The first video of techniques for the injured and disabled made by someone who shares the inconvenience. Many of the stick techniques are drawn from the practice of Kuntao Silat, a Dutch Indonesian martial art. We explore types of canes; both hooked and knobbed styles. Which is the most suitable and efficient for you and why. This information will translate nicely to people in wheechairs, on crutches, slow mobile without an aid- any of it. A system is presented for the proper sizing to the body to get the best mechanical advantage of the stick. Efficient means of use, the various grips, the use of the different sections of the stick are reviewed in detail. Proper body alignment is essential for effective use of the stick both to walk and to fight. Targeting on the opponents body changes with the addition of a stick to your arsenal of technique. Various targets and the reasons for choosing them are discussed. The distancing from the opponent adjusts when you have a stick and limited mobility- learn how to control various distances and what applications and stick mechanics work best at different combative intervals. This information is suitable for the blind, wheelchair bound or other disabled conditions. Forms for practice are shown throughout the video with suggestions on how to modify them for your own particular usage. Techniques and Applications for all martial styles can be adapted for the cane. I show how this is done, what to watch out for and how to make up your own solo practice. The practice is suitable for women and children, the aged and many disabilities. $25 + $5 postage and packing 1 hour 54 minutes Mail Payment to: Chas Clements 1741 Dallas Street Aurora, Colorado 80010-2018 303-364-0403 home 303-739-9824 fax E-Mail to: gryphons@home.com --- end quote --- Peace favor your sword === As of 8:45 on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, I live in a united nation. ------------------------------ From: "Master Frank Clay" Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:01:51 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #627 Ray, Obviously I can not speak for all monks in Korea, but I did already give you a link. Sunim Lee is botha Buddhist monk and an expert on martial art. Then again, there are the monks at Shinwoosa, and a few other places that do practice martial art, as well as Sun Do which is a type of Chimukwan type exercise. Shimkido does mean way of mind and energy or way of spiritual energy. (good guess :)) Frank ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:47:30 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Real cane Dear Mr. Hodder, >From: "rich hodder" I do have questions regarding the use of the cane in self defense. I have witnessed many very good cane techniques in demonstration and class/seminar conditions mostly by Master West and Master Whalen. My question arises from my unfortunate need to have to use a cane to walk at this point. When one can't move well or at all, what techniques work best. In other words when you need the cane to stand, can you still use it effectively for self defense, joint locks and throws?< You are now at the crux of cane. In Hapkido, cane is usually taught for 3rd degree BB, and there is a reason for that - it isn't easy! Hapkidoists prefer a nice strong wooden cane with a neck sized crook, pointed on both ends, and heavy. The cane most real users prefer is lightweight aluminum, padded handle, rubber tipped, and large crooked. Aluminum, while excellent in compression, is not so strong in lateral applications (twists and locks) The light weight convenience also reduces the impact of strikes. The no skid tip, reduces the quality of pokes. I am currently teaching a gentleman who "needs" his cane. His regimen is very different than what I teach my 2nds. Where are you located? I am in California. If live near my school, I invite you to stop in. Using cane technique is different for each person depending upon the extent of the impairment. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:00:13 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: USMC B-Day OOps, 10 Nov 1775 our corps is 226, Happy B-day Leathernecks Rich (pfc Golf Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Division) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:05:38 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Cane Technique development Dear Master Clay, >From: "Master Frank Clay" Yong Ki Song was teaching cane techniques when Ji han jae was still a school boy, hanging around choi, yong sul's house. Sosan daesa is somewhat of a legendary figure, kinda like a martial arts paul bunyan. i doubt that in reality we will ever know who introduced what, BUT i'm sure it was not ji han jae or any other contemporary Korean. There are stories which appear in the the classics of other arts where upon the "victim" was using a cane. Some of those stories and legends predate ji han jae's life by a couple of hundred years. If memory serves, one of the 8 Taoist immortals used a cane.> Please do not deem this a challenge to your assertion about Yong Ki Song - I am unfamiliar with that individual's contribution to Hapkido. I accept your word. However, please let me squeeze the other portion of your argument. If memory serves (and it rarely does), Samson slayed the Philistines with the Jaw of an ass. That does not mean he developed "Ass Jaw Do". Anecdotes and stories are not the same as codification and transmission of curriculum. BTW - I support another GM's (not GM Ji)assertion that he introduced cane to Hapkido. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:51:04 PST Subject: the_dojang: Book: Karate Jutsu, the Original Teachings of Master Funakoshi A new addition to my library just arrived... Karate Jutsu, The Original Teachings of Master Funakoshi, 2001. Part of the book's preface corrects a post I made to the_dojang just today or yesterday. Rentan Goshin Karate Jutsu It is truly fortunate that this seminal karate text, Rentan Goshin Karate Jutsu, has now been made available to the karate practioners and enthusiasts around the world in an Engligh translation. The earliest Japanese karate text was published in November 1922, under the title Ryukyu Kenpo Karate. It was written by Master Gichin Funakoshi in response to urgent and widespread requests for a text on karate following his demonstration of the art at the First Annual Athletic Exhibition. Unfortunately, the original plates for the book were destroyed by fire in the Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923. However, due to large public demand for a further edition, the current book was produced in March of 1925 under the new title of Rentan Goshin Karate Jutsu with several additions and revisions. ... Subsequent to publishing this book, Master Funakoshi decided to emphasize karate's identity as a traditional Japanese martial art. He changed the written characters for karate from "Chinese hand" to "empty hand," and at the same time renamed various kata. On a technical level he fostered the systemization and theoretical study of basic techniques, instituting the practice of kibon (basics) by extracting individual movements contained in kata. ..... Later, because karate is not just a method of fighting, but rather because the essential purpose of karate training is to develop a complete human being, he began to use the term "karate-do," the way of karate. ... Book Contents I The History, Value, and Methods of Karate 1. What is Karate? 2. The value of Karate 3. Karate Training and Instruction II The Compositional Structure of Karate 4. Systematic analysis of Karate III The Fundamentals and Kata of Karate 5. Fundamentals and Kata IV Additional Comments on the History and Research of Karate 6. There is no first strike in Karate 7. Karate's place in public opinion One short paragraph on Styles of Karate: Various styles taking on the names of different shihan (chief instructors) have arisen over time, but in fact there are only two styles -- Shorei-ryu and Shorin-ryu. The Shorei-ryu is suitable for big people with large bones and solid frames. In contrast, the Shorin-ryu is more suited to persons of smaller stature with slender, willowy bodies and a lack of physical power. ... I guess I'd be more of a Shorei-ryu type person. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:01:18 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #628 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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