From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #639 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 16 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 639 In this issue: the_dojang: Opinoins needed the_dojang: Complimenting Arts/West's Seminar the_dojang: RE:Groundwork stuff the_dojang: RE:Instructor Honors the_dojang: Unethical conduct the_dojang: Hapkido & the ground the_dojang: Over There !! the_dojang: I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy ! the_dojang: Hapkido & the ground the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:25:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Complimenting Arts/West's Seminar From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us <> I agree with you Michael, that's why I love to cross train in HKD as well. In fact, you will see many TKD (& TSD) players at Master West's 16th International HapKiDo and Korean Martial Arts Seminar in March. They do work well together. Prior to the first seminar session Friday evening, there will be both a TKD and TSD seminar at the event. It will be a terrific seminar to attend to get training in both HKD and TKD/TSD. I'll put out more information about the TKD & TSD seminars later. For those interested in the event, keep watching the web site for more info: www.hapkido.com under the seminars link. Mac ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:44:11 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Groundwork stuff Dear Michael: "... the problem with "basic" hapkido grappling techniques is that there aren't any drills and transitional training to teach you "how" to get to these positions and "what" to do when these techniques don't work right away...." Your post did a pretty good job of pointing out some of the short-comings of Hapkido groundwork. If you don't mind I would like to piggy-back on what you shared to say that the same arguement can be made for quite a bit of the Hapkido arts in general. There are simply just not that many people who will invest the time and resources to pursue the art through all of the various levels. Some folks get stuck at the kicking and striking level, while others get stuck at the grappling, submission or restraint level. As I mentioned in my last post, there are folks who become fixated on one level or another simply because they are intrigued with a particular biomechanic or weapon. The problem, as I see it, is that in failing to pursue the entire corpus of the Hapkido curriculum we run the risk of people, even well-intentioned people, teaching only what they know and either ignoring or guessing at the rest. I think this is where the idea of substituting seeming more "effective" material from other arts comes in. In the best of all possible worlds, I suppose that a "hardcore" Hapkido practitioner would learn and master each of the levels and each of the weapons with the sort of "puke-yer-guts-out" intensity you witnessed in your wrestling classes. But using GM Myung's Yon Mu Kwan Hapkido curriculum as a guide, imagine the kind of training one would need to follow (to the exclusion of all else) to produce the level of expertise one often sees in only one or two aspects of Hapkido! In this fashion, consider someone like OS Kimura (arguably the single greatest Judoka in history), and the Judo curriculum that he followed which could be, essentially, a subset of what one would need to learn to touch all the bases in Hapkido. Is a good deal of Hapkido impractical, anachronistic, and baffling in light of modern combat theory and practice. No arguement there. Do some arts do a better job of specializing than does Hapkido. Certainly. For my money, though the answer is not to start bumping Hapkido up against other arts, or specialty arts until one has a sound grasp of everything that Hapkido has to offer. BTW: Caught your exchange on BUDOSEEK Net. Of course you know that I would not probably agree with everything you were saying including expecting GM Ji to provide actual answers to direct questions posed. I sent two letters to NJ and never heard from either one. I would say, however, that your approach was probably the more balanced of the contributions. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:48:42 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Instructor Honors Dear Sharon: "....Wednesday night at a special dinner, Mr. Robert Young, Exec. Editor of Black Belt Magazine, presented my GrandMaster, Chong S. Kim, with a plaque and announced that he has been chosen as Black Belt Magazine's 2001 Instructor of the Year! :))) The article will be in the Jan/2002 issue. It's an honor to be part of GM Kim's association, Jang Mu Hapkido, and great to see a Hapkido person receive that recognition! recognition!...." What a great thing to have happen to your instructor! How about a bit of a bio and a rundown on his approach to Korean MT/ Hapkido? Will there be an article in BB magazine or just a little blurb and a larger contribution in the BB Yearbook? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:02:34 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Unethical conduct Someone should be forced to do 100 knuckle push-ups! Not sure who tho?????? Unethical conduct.... That cracks me up. What's more unethical: Forwarding an unsolicited email or forbidding people to participate in an open forum that you do not control? Dave Weller, Proud Dojang Digest member!!! Snip<----==== From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 7:46:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: Complications? ummm... complications??? Looks like yet another person got in trouble 'over there'. When will they learn? ======================================================================= Forwarded message: Dear Sirs; It has been brought to my attention that an email I sent to unknown addresses, from email(s) I had received, was posted on the Dojang Digest. I am not a member of your list. The only listserve I am a member of is taekwondo-net-digest. I am not a member of the Dojang Digest, and object to this unethical conduct in misrepresenting to the world that I am a Dojang Digest list member. For sending email to the addresses of people I don't know, I appologize. I had no idea that it would cause so many complications. Sincerely, Chicken Little "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!" ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:42:12 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido & the ground Mr. Terry, >Yes, GM Ji also teaches some ground techniques in his HKD, but what I >learned wasn't anything similar to what we typically see in, say, catch >wrestling or BJJ. e.g. a bridge or fighting from the guard. My take on ground fighting is that it is seldom a good idea, but sometimes you just don't have a choice. Ray Terry< In this unfortunate "be everything to everyone" renaissance in MA, I try to remember two ideas when working in Hapkido; 1) Close is not where you want to be. 2) The ground is where your opponent belongs. As you say, your opponent may drag you down, and you might end up on the ground, but a little grappling does not a grappler make. Hapkidoists would do well to remember that we are not a submission based art. In a real fight with a grappler, if you end up rolling on the floor, you better hope HIS training was submission based. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:30:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Over There !! Ray you noted: Response: Remember the Geoge M. Cohen Story starring James Cagney when they sang, "Over there, over there, send a word, send a prayer...that the Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming over there..." Anyway, last night got into empty hand defense against knife and stick, defending against weapon and flowing into neck lock, review of stick drills, footwork. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:38:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy ! Ah, I was right. Check this out. Reminds me of me: Martial Arts. My instructor also showed me this slick 8 step drill where you use your weapon on a four count, retract on the fifth, step through on the fifth, and continue through 8. Also used 4 strike response to attack, re: block, block, parry, step in, and strike to neck. Anyway, I ramble. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:40:59 PST Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido & the ground > As you say, your opponent may drag you down, and you might end up on the > ground, but a little grappling does not a grappler make. Hapkidoists would > do well to remember that we are not a submission based art. In a real fight > with a grappler, if you end up rolling on the floor, you better hope HIS > training was submission based. We are probably in violent agreement here... But I would also add that you don't always end up on the ground simply because your opponent is a trained grappler. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:02:34 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #639 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11!