From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #640 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 16 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 640 In this issue: the_dojang: School for Jennifer Re: the_dojang: School for Jennifer the_dojang: Hapkido & the ground the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #638 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #639 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #639 the_dojang: Complimenting Arts the_dojang: Jeremy the_dojang: ground fighting the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:52:41 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: School for Jennifer Jennifer, I can't vouch for this, but you may want to check it out. I was told that Andre Marquez has a school on South Orange Blossom Trail @ TaftVineland(sp?) Road. Hey, Ray...doesn't Karl Gotch live down in Orlando now? I think that's where he's living out his retirement if I'm not mistaken. Maybe Jennifer can go get some lesson in Catch from one of the last masters:). Craig "A hundred percent of all fights end up being a fight" Stovall _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:25:39 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: School for Jennifer > Hey, Ray...doesn't Karl Gotch live down in Orlando now? I think that's > where he's living out his retirement if I'm not mistaken. Maybe Jennifer > can go get some lesson in Catch from one of the last masters:). I believe it is there or nearby in the Tampa area. J may want to check out Matt Furey, http://mattfurey.com. I -assume- that he is teaching down that way. He moved there to train under Gotch. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:42:29 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido & the ground Dear Mr. Terry, >...We are probably in violent agreement here... But I would also add that >you don't always end up on the ground simply because your opponent is a >trained grappler. Ray Terry< acckkk! Gacccck! Stop choking me so I can nod agreement! :) Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Michael Choi" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:40:11 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #638 I'm still working on my response to Messieurs Wee and Sims postings on Buddhism, but from reading Mr. Sims's on wa, I can't help but think of the line from Star Trek the Motion Picture, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." Second, congratulations to Grandmaster Chong Su Kim. I have seen the articles that his students have produced in martial arts magazine, particularly Black Belt, and they are some of the best hapkido articles that I've seen yet. Lastly, wrt to ground fighting/grappling, as you all know, my primary style is hapkido. (I do have a background in taekwondo, but I personally prefer hapkido.) Now that I'm in Long Island (for now) where there is no hapkido schools that I know of, the only way I can practice my techniques is working out with jujitsu practitioners because they can take the falls. Fortunately, their movement is very similar because they have strong roots in hakkoryu jujitsu (an offshoot of daito-ryu aikijujitsu like hapkido). Interestingly, my old Taekwondo friends have joined the jujitsu class as regular students donning the white belt. One has already been promoted to yellow belt. Just sharing my experience. Have a nice weekend, Michael ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:02:03 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #639 In a message dated 11/16/01 3:33:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << an email I sent to unknown addresses, from email(s) I had received, was posted on the Dojang Digest >> So waitaminute, Ray, you got an email sent to unknown addresses by someone who received the email and doesn't know who sent it or where he sent it to and he's unhappy??? ------------------------------ From: "Michael Choi" Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:14:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #639 Just thought I'd share a comment of Grandmaster Yu of Hapkido Chundokwan, "when I was in the army, I worked out with a judo guy. Before I knew it, he threw me to the floor. Judo specializes in throwing and grappling. A Taekwondo player has extremely fast kick because they specialize in kicking. But hapkido incorporates so much: punching, kicking, joint-locks, throws, weapons. We cannot cover everything in one class. The most important thing is to continue to practice and build up one's expertise in all areas as much as possible" (my translation). Although by personal build and psyche, the hapkido practitioner's movement is totally unique, the hapkido instructor should have such a comprehensive knowledge of the art that he can "custom tailor" his teaching to the ability of the student. For the most part, first through fifth dan contains all the physical curriculum. Some day I hope to progress to fifth degree dan by dan. After finally knowing what the techniques are, I would like to then explore each segment of hapkido, piece by piece, from hand strikes, kicking, joint-locks, throws, pressure points, to weapons (very tall order). Also, I would explore incorporating more philosophical principles into teaching hapkido. This would take at least a lifetime! By developing my own understanding of the art, it would benefit my (would-be) students. (Oddly, I have no intentions of becoming a professional instructor. I would just like to practice and ultimately teach hapkido just for the fun of it.) As a scholar and a philosopher, I tend to approach hapkido intellectually/academically. In terms of techniques, I try to understand the mechanics behind them and categorize each mechanic and find matching mechanics in other techniques that I've learned. (I bet most hapkido practitioners do this.) Philosophically, I try to understand ideologies behind hapkido --namely, teachings from both Korean and Japanese martial traditions (including Buddhism, neo-Confucianism, and Taoism). For the personal reason that I'm of Korean descent and for the reason that hapkido is Korean, I'm trying to incorporate more authentic Korean philosophy and ethics into my hapkido. As a Christian, my religious beliefs influences my hapkido as well, but if I ever was to teach hapkido, I would not implant Christian doctrine that have no relation to hapkido. From the guy with the long posts, Michael ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:48:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Complimenting Arts Michael wrote: <<<>>> I agree. In my dojang, we learn Combat Hapkido for our self defence instead of the TSD self defence. I fell in love with Hapkido also, but I can't find a real hapkido dojang where I live to cross train in it. So, I settled with Jujitsu. Since the instructor uses our dojang for his classes, I decided to give it a try. I found that I liked it :o) It is very similar to Hapkido in some ways (self defence, breakfalls, rolls, ect), so I'm pretty happy with my choice :o) But you're right. There's things that are VERY different that I have to learn like Japanese on top of Korean term (gets very confusing lol), the stances are different (TSD = low, Jujitsu = more of a "natural" stance), the kicks are different (TSD = high, Jujitsu = very little kicking, and very low), ect. The down side of Jujitsu, it's only one day a week :o( Tang Soo! Dizzy 5th gup TSD 7th kyu Jujitsu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:58:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Jeremy Jeremy wrote: <<<>>> Good job :o) One thing, though. TKD is a "kicking" MA. Try getting more pics of the class doin kicking drills and/or sparring. Just a thought :o) Tang Soo! Dizzy P.S. I can't wait to see the Hapkido page :o) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:16:28 PST Subject: the_dojang: ground fighting > Ray, are you going to make it to Jackson in March? What, so everyone can see how bad I am? :) Perhaps. At least then Master West won't be the only big-n-ugly guy there... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:22:28 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #640 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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