From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #647 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 22 Nov 2001 Vol 08 : Num 647 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Back in the Saddle the_dojang: Buddhist stuff the_dojang: RE: Dog or Boshintang the_dojang: Teaching Body Mechanics? When? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #645 the_dojang: Eating Dogs and Potency the_dojang: Dayton, Ohio the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1000 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon David Payne" Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:35:14 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Back in the Saddle Good to see you back Mike. Jon David Payne ------------------------------ From: "S. H. Wee" Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:48:27 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Buddhist stuff Dear Bruce, I am not an expert in Buddhism though I have been a monk for a few months. From what I have learned, in Buddhism, things are not as straight forward as black and white as preached by some other religion. However, as I am not a native English speaker, I do have problems to express myself clearly especially with something as abstract as Buddhism. While most religions treat the world as black vs white, good vs evil. According to Buddhism, we live in the world of colours. How do you classified yellow? Is it black or white? How about blue? Black? As in the eastern philosophy of Ying and Yang, evil is part of the universe as far as good exists. Just like light and darkness, for without darkness, there will be no light. They are all part of the cycle, or Karma. However, there are two important thing as a Buddhist, the believe in Karma or "You get what you ask for" and your intention or "your mind". 90% of the world's problem originated from human mind. Ever wonder why Buddhist spends so much time meditating? In Buddhism, we believe that there is no ONE right way to achieve enlightenment. That's the reason you'll see some monks are strict vegetarians, some don't. Some married, some don't. Some spend countless hours chanting, others don't. But they all share one thing. They do it with good intention. Within the context of our subject, perhaps it would be a "no brainer" for one to say that a kill which honors Buddhist teachings would be the least painful, quickest and most limited loss of life possible. The minimum number die so that the WA (harmony) of the larger community might benefit. However, how does one interpret this in a society such as can be found here in the US, which purports to place the value of the individual, even an as yet un-born individual at a par or above the value of the mother or the community? Similar arguments can be made along these lines for euthanasia, and assisted suicide. Is it possible to find a Middle Path which can honor the position you have mentioned within the context of Western Society? Taken from another view, is it then possible to legitimately honor the spirit of Martial Traditions in the individual-focused culture of the West when the roots are found in the community-focused culture of the East? Or--- are we westerners all just bl! The decision will be solely yours, it has nothing to do with East or West. The answer is in your own heart, look within yourself, there you will find heaven and peace or hell and chaos. It is not so much of what you should do but rather why you do it. When a novice monk asked his master, pointing to a flapping flag, "Which one is moving? The flag or the wind?". The master answered "None is moving, only your heart/mind". Regards, S. H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:44:49 EST Subject: the_dojang: RE: Dog or Boshintang > I heard that dog eating > is common on some holiday in korea? Can anyone enlighten me on this? > thanks > Bill, Not all people in Korea eat dog. And there isn't a holiday where it is common to eat dog. However, it is one of the foods that is eaten on a real hot summer day. (samgaetang, one of my favorite chicken dishes, is also a dish that is eaten on real hot days) Dog is also eaten more by men, since it is supposed to help with stamina. It's also supposed to be healthy which is why it is called Boshin tang which means roughly "help body soup." I've had it and it isn't much different from other kinds of meat in a soup. My wife doesn't care for it though. I agree that we (As in Americans or Westerners) should not be dictating what people eat just because we don't allow it here. (Although, you don't think a dog or two was eaten when the settlers were settling America?) I know horse lovers who think it is disgusting to eat horse, and people especially gag when I tell them that the times I ate it it was raw. Raw horse meat is a common dish in parts of Japan (not all of Japan) and I happened to live in a part that it was common. (Yamanashi prefecture) And a couple times in Vietnam I didn't even ask what I was eating. Just said "thank you" and ate. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:13:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Teaching Body Mechanics? When? Tom Marker wrote: <<<>>> At white belt, the first week or so, I was shown "easy ways" to kick, block, punch, ect. But as time passed, I was shown "proper" technique, but it wasn't "drilled" into my head. My instructor just showed me, and let me work at it at my own pace. I think this is the best way. By the time I tested for orange, I had fairly good technique for a beginner. By green belt, that's when my instructor really started to "drill" me on technique. The higher you go, the tougher he gets. I think my jujitsu instructor is worse lol. But they both make class fun at the same time. Hope this helped. Tang Soo! Dizzy 5th gup TSD 7th kyu jujitsu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:34:05 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #645 >From: "Michael Choi" >Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:12:48 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fwd: Korean culture > >What non-Koreans don't understand is that Koreans do not eat domesticated dog >s. We eat wild dogs, stray dogs, or dogs raised for consumption. It was only >through the introduction of Western culture, particularly after World War II, > that people started to raise dogs as pets. Korea does not have dog pounds fo >r a very obvious reason: we have a natural way of controlling the dog populat >ion. Before then, they just strayed around as a nuisance. Here's a question, would stray dogs not have a lot of parasites etc that would make the meat icky for consumption? I wouldn't eat a pigeon that had been roaming around the city, eg Trafalgar Square, although I have eaten farmed pigeon. Not criticising, just asking. Donnla. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Computer Laboratory, William Gates Building Graduate Student JJ Thompson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 OFD, U.K. tel: +44-1223-763688 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ "An eyelash! How could you be so careless!" - Jude Law, Gattaca ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:11:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Eating Dogs and Potency Subject: Eating Dog Meat Comments: My two turkeys are cookin' right now as I write this. One turkey is on the smoker, and the other turkey in in the oven. Well, I recall when I lived in Pusan, South Korea we would pass by a dog raising facility daily. It was a breeding farm similar to raising cattle for slaughter. I thought it a little different but understood. Afterall, I have been to the Philippines several times and dog eating was common there until Marcos issued an edict disallowing. Anyway, I remember once that my instructor took me to a restaurant and we had dog meat as the main entray. It was nothing spectacular but I gotta tell ya--Koreans say that dog meat provides you with sexual potency. Let me tell ya. Best stuff I ever had. Better than those blue pills. And that is the rest of the story. Big Ken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:17:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Dayton, Ohio Big Mike T wrote: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:59:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Dayton Daily News I grew up in Dayton Ohio and I am very familiar with this newspaper, let me just say that this article is befitting of that rag shop they call the Dayton Daily News. It was just as bad 20 years ago when I lived in that town. Michael Tomlinson> Response: Dayton, Ohio. I recall visiting Dayton University and was accepted to their law school. Nice basketball gym. At one time Donnie Mays and the "Flyers" had a good team. But I date myself. Other than that-- a dull, dreary town. But having lived near lower Manhatten what do ya expect from my perspective ? I like the nightlife, I love to Bogey. Big Ken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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