From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #664 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 4 Dec 2001 Vol 08 : Num 664 In this issue: the_dojang: Toll road on the paved path the_dojang: 5th gup exam the_dojang: 5th gup exam the_dojang: The Wushu Monks the_dojang: Re: Arrogant Black Belts the_dojang: "warrior monk? the_dojang: Shaw's Technique? the_dojang: Re: Wu Shu the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~900 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick L" Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:48:58 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Toll road on the paved path Mr. Stovall, Please don't think that I was trying to put words in your mouth. IMHO most of MA is simple physical stunts. I say this with the utmost respect for these simple physical stunts. >Anybody can learn to chop watermelons off of people's stomachs just as >easily as they can learn a card trick, or some simple physical stunt.< Just because I can teach someone how to punch , or kick, or twist a limb easily does not discount the applicability of said technique, nor does it do so for demonstration technique. From you comments, one might extrapolate that magicians have no skill, that the theatre it an empty charade, and religion - oy vey! I offer again that demonstration technique serves its purpose, one of providing Mystique about MA. And that IS a good thing. >So in summary of my position...MA demonstrations are good...assassinating >an innocent watermleon or cucumber is bad.< Watermelons and cucumbers were made for slicing! I will enjoy the succulent inside, you can gnaw away on the rinds. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:57:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: 5th gup exam Dominic Mitchell, That is very normal to feel that way. I felt the same way with my 5th gup test. I refused to test (when I was supposed to). I felt I wasn't ready. My instructor told me that he felt I was, but he totally understood if I decided not to test, and I didn't. I felt I wasn't doing my form right, or doing certian techs right. So I gave myself two more weeks, and it worked. I trained hard, and I felt more "able" to take the test. Sometimes people feel that they don't do well, but from a judges point of view, you do well. It's totally normal to feel you don't do well, but in the eyes of a fellow student, teacher, or judge, you are doing fine :o) I'm sure you deserved the promotion :o) Keep training hard, and be the best you can be. Dizzy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:58:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: 5th gup exam Dominic Mitchell, That is very normal to feel that way. I felt the same way with my 5th gup test. I refused to test (when I was supposed to). I felt I wasn't ready. My instructor told me that he felt I was, but he totally understood if I decided not to test, and I didn't. I felt I wasn't doing my form right, or doing certian techs right. So I gave myself two more weeks, and it worked. I trained hard, and I felt more "able" to take the test. Sometimes people feel that they don't do well, but from a judges point of view, you do well. It's totally normal to feel you don't do well, but in the eyes of a fellow student, teacher, or judge, you are doing fine :o) I'm sure you deserved the promotion :o) Keep training hard, and be the best you can be. Dizzy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:11:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: The Wushu Monks Bruce wrote, <> Bruce is correct. 'Nuff said. FYI for everybody... Wushu is a national sport that is composed of standardized movements derived from the traditional Chinese arts. Please understand that the emphasis is on creating asthetic visual appeal and adhering to standardized performance metrics...not fighting ability. Do I respect the athleticism and dedication that it takes to compete in this sport...YES. However, don't be fooled into thinking that what you're seeing is traditional Chinese Chaun Fa. Wushu is a relatively modern phenomenon that is supported as a "cultural treasure" and national sport by the Chinese government. It's the martial equivalent of figure skating, and gymnastic floor routines. Craig Stovall Black Belt - Tae Kwon Do White Sash - Wushu Red Leotard - Modern Dance _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Arthur Lee" Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:19:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Arrogant Black Belts Hey all, Back when I first became a 1st dan black belt, my GM nipped any thoughts of superiority from our "invincible" minds by telling us that we were but little chicks just hatching from our eggs... we knew enough to break out of the shell, but in truth, we knew nothing, so the "real" training was to begin... I don't necessarily condone telling that to any students that i would have if i was teaching, but, it really cut down on the number of puffed-chest, arrogant black belts in my dojang... ah... to be told by your master that you know nothing when you reach BB... Arthur 2nd Dan TKD 1st Dan HDG ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:42:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: "warrior monk? > However, I will pass along to Warrior Monk Lee, > Sauk Kyu that he can not possibly be a real monk because his religion > abhors > violence. Never mind that his art focuses more on healing as I suspect many > > of the temple arts do. > > Frank Clay Who bestowed this title on him? Is this a common title used in the monastery? Id think a Monk would'nt want to be known for his "warrior status more than his healing prowess? Jack ------------------------------ From: "michael tomlinson" Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:03:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Shaw's Technique? I think it was Jesse who ask about his techniques on the video,, he basically did all the techniques I saw on the tape (and book by the way) standing straight up with his knees locked,, and all the joint lock actions were done from the shoulder out to the wrist,, there were no body movements at all involved in any of his movements,, pretty unbelievable for someone with enough stripes on his belt to warrant a sexual attack from a zebra, and at least two books and numerous videos on Hapkido? Man where do these folks come from? We should all get together and start our own books and videos,, we could call it the World Combat Dojang Digest International Hapkido Federation,,, you guys can promote Bruce, Ken McD, and me to 14th degree black belt and we will collect all the money. What do you guys think? Michael Tomlinson (14th Dan,, Grand Pupah of the WCDDIHF) ------------------------------ From: "S. H. WEE" Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:15:02 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Wu Shu > I don't think so. I've never known a self-respecting Wing Chun, Choy Lay > Fut, or Hung Gar practicioner that would use the term "Wu Shu" to refer to > their art. Wu Shu (as the term is most commonly used today) is a distinct > sub-set within the greater set of Chinese Martial Arts. Has more to do with > gymnastics and flailing around with faux weapons than actual fighting. The > term "Chaun Fa" would be a more appropriate term for the aforementioned > styles. "wushu" or "wugong" ARE the right words to be used as generic name for all Chinese Martial Arts and can be found even in ancient texts. It includes all the Arts you mentioned above. However, the Wu-Shu as promoted by the Chinese government, is more for sport. Though you will still need strong basics in Chinese Martial Arts. However, I would not discard these fancy styles, like the lion dance, these fancy, performance-oriented styles demand high level of skill and strong basics. Traditionally, the Chinese opera performers who specialised in these types of styles are also known to be excellent fighters. A good example will be the Red Junk Opera. Regards, S. H. Wee ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:22:53 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #664 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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