From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #676 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 12 Dec 2001 Vol 08 : Num 676 In this issue: Re: the_dojang: Gun Training the_dojang: quicker? more powerful? the_dojang: Re:Mike Wollmershauser the_dojang: Merger the_dojang: contact to the head the_dojang: RE:Roundhouse stuff Re: the_dojang: Failed Color Belt Test? the_dojang: Re: Gun Training the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~900 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:20:38 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Gun Training > How many of you instructors include firearms skills other than disarms > (anything from safety to operation to tactics) in your martial programs? You got one here... Personally I would rather teach someone the basics of using a weapon prior to teaching empty-hand defense against same. I realize that is perhaps not a common viewpoint, but it seems like the best approach to me. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:33:58 PST Subject: the_dojang: quicker? more powerful? > >>According to 'Dynamical Analysis of Taekwondo basic kicks' written by Sung, > Nak Joon, professor of Hosuh University in Korea, Dolyco Chaki takes only > 0.19sec on average from the moment you lift the foot until the moment you > strike the target; this technique is the fastest of all kicks. Further, the > impact the target gets when you execute Dolyo Chaki amounts to 1098N, which > is the strongest of all. With respect to time, intensity, and accuracy, > therefore, Dolyo Chaki is the fastest and delivers the biggest impact.>> > > Roundhouse kick faster than front kick?? It may be easier to score with and > more powerful, but I doubt faster. Seems like it could be quicker. Assuming both are rear leg, a front kick has more of a forced body movement involved whereas a round kick seems more natural, more of a swing motion. Yes? No? On the power side, I've always heard that a back kick generated the most power. Comments on that? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: bredfield Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:57:02 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re:Mike Wollmershauser HI George P., I forwarded your querie to my Hapkido Master, he knows Master Wollmerhauser and should be able to fill you in. Bernard <> ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:04:18 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Merger Dear list members, I would like to ask somes questions of the list. This is not ment to start flame wars or rile up the masses. I think it is a legitmate question. What do you think would be the change for you if the ITF/WTF/Kukkiwon system merged into some sort of super group? If this were to happen, what sort of form would you like to see it take? There has been more talk (sane) talk recently on the subject amongest the ITF membership. Visit www.itf-generalchoi.com and view the letter from Grand Master Hwang. (Click into the news section on the main page and find the letter.) There has been also some very slight, very private, confimation of some of the talks. Comments? Robert Martin 4th Dan ITF _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:02:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: contact to the head Forwarding, from the USTU... Clarification of our New 6-11 Head Contact Rule approved at the November 2001 Board of Governors Meeting: New Head Contact Rule Ages 6-11 years old Sparring competitors, age 6-11 years old, may not make head contact at any time during a USTU competition. A competitor, who executes a technique to the head area, will be subject to one of the following actions: Any technique, attempted to the head area but does not make contact, will be given a warning by the referee (Kyong-go) Any technique, which makes any contact with the head area will result in a one-point deduction by the referee (Gamjeom) If the competitor cannot continue because of contact with the head area, the attacker will be disqualified Inability to continue competition because of fright, crying or loss of will following a legal kick to the body, does not constitute grounds for disqualification of the attacker The new Head Contact Rule will be in effect at all USTU Sanctioned Events for age 6-11 year olds, excluding the 2002 U.S. Open International Taekwondo Championship in Orlando, Florida. ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:33:53 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Roundhouse stuff Dear Ray: "....That is, Dolyo Chaki is one of the most useful and effective kicking skills in Taekwondo. Moreover, Dolyo Chaki is one of the most efficient kicks, so it is easy to offend and defend by Dolyo Chaki, and this skill is quick to execute and change the posture. To sum, it is one of the most important kicks in Taekwondo....." Excellent post. Even though Hapkido does not stress kicks to the degree that TKD may, I thought this article gave me a lot to ponder. Now, appreciating the amount of emphasis that TKD people place on kicking, has anyone done any research to identify which kick is liable to produce the most amount of injury either short-term or long term to the student? In hand with this, has anyone done any work to identify if TKD people develop joint conditions such as arthritis or bursitis at any greater frequency than other Martial Arts? Maybe we could open this to the Net and get peoples feedback on which kick has induced the greatest amount of discomfort or disability for them? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Jens Schaefer Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:25:37 +0100 Subject: Re: the_dojang: Failed Color Belt Test? Hi! [...] > From: DDODGE2 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:17:05 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Failed Color Belt Test? > > Hello All, > > After reading the posts about nervousness before color belt testing > I was just wondering if anyone here has ever failed a Color belt test? > (excluding BB testing of course). Yup - I failed one of my blue belt tests. (at my dojang, the grown-ups get 3 yellow, three blue and three red belts). I forgot which one - I think, it was the test for the 4th kup. IIRC, the main reason was a mistake in my form and a rather sloppy knowledge about the korean words. It was quite a humbling experience and I became far, far more self-critical this day. I still am. ;-) I had my test for 1st kup this saturday and a friend of mine videotaped it for me. It's ironic - even though my sabom graded me "good +" (the grades are "very good", "good", "sufficient" and "failed" with maybe a "+" or a "-") and even though my friends watch in awe, I can't help but muttering stuff like "too sloppy", "not enough power", "wrong foot", "sloppy stance" every time I watch. ;-) Note to everyone: videotape yourself! A real eye-opener! On the other hand, I *think* that my master became less harsh about testing while I had to take a 5-year break (Not enough time during my university time). I mean: I watched the other students take their test and I kept thinking "Oh man - how can you dare!?" Maybe, maybe there is some commercial backthought. A Judo friend of mine said: "The rule of thumb is: when a student fails twice, they change the dojo." [...] > Could the problem actually be ME!? Am I being to critical of this one > individual? Maybe. ;-) The best are often the most critical to themselves - and you can't turn that of when judging others. ;-) Since I study Tang Lang Kung Fu as well, I watched a fellow student take her test for 8th kup the same day. She was *gorgeous* - she was really, really good - and I can tell, I prepare for my 1st dan. Still, she keeps saying that she performed 'miserable' and hardly derserved her new kup. Another thing may be that the collored belts, and even the 1st dan, has a completely different status in the western world than it has in the east. I spoke to many MAs that studied in Japan and/or Korea and to people who had lots of contact with eastern MAs: In the East, someone with a colored belt is seen with far less awe and respect and black belts are handed out far more frequently. On one hand the black belt carries far less status, on the other hand many make it harder for westeners to 'get into their art' - -- humbly yours Jens Schäfer Jens.Schaefer@aikyu.de "Bei der intendierten Realisierung der linguistischen Simplifizierung des regionalen Idioms resultiert die Evidenz der Opportunität extrem apparent, den elaborierten und quantitativ opulenten Usus nicht assimilierter Xenologien konsequent zu eliminieren!" (Quelle: Unbekannt) ------------------------------ From: Victor Cushing Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:02:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Gun Training I teach at a local University as well as have students enrolled in a school I own. At the University I teach firearm disarms and basic firearm safety and familiarity including how to check weapon and clear it. More an education program than tactics. At the school I teach that and add tactical training at the upper levels. I expect Black belts to be able to use firearms to defend themselves. I have only adult students many of whom are ROTC from same University. Vic Cushing ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 6:35:07 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #676 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11!