From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #679 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 12 Dec 2001 Vol 08 : Num 679 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #678:Color belts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #678 the_dojang: Stress Kicking the_dojang: Re: Guns the_dojang: interesting reading the_dojang: Re: Adkins diet the_dojang: Mas Re: the_dojang: RE: Kicking Re: the_dojang: Stress Kicking the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~900 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David N. Beck" Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:57:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #678:Color belts >There's a red belt at my Dojang too, her mother is good friends with my >instructor and I can't help thinking that's the only reason she's got to red >belt. She misses most of the classes and at the grading the only thing she >did was break a board but she still passed. However a green belt failed >because he didn't know his kicks properly...seems very unfair to me. Could be other reasons...for instance, one school I know of is very strict at the tests for blue belt (1/2 way to black) and black belt, with loose standards for the others. >And on the subject of the red belt, I need some advice. Every time I work >with this girl (she's the only one close to my height and weight) she refuses >to fall. I was doing throws for my last grading and she wouldn't let me throw >her...I could have forced her to go down but I have always been told never to >force a partner into anything...but then at the grading I had loads of >trouble because I wasn't used to throwing people. This girl will fall when >the instructors around...just not when the instructors not looking. Should I >resort to doing a 'proper' (nasty) technique so she will go down? I am very >reluctant to do this but it seems like the only way. She's a red belt, I'm a >orange belt...so I can't really *tell* her to fall. >Any ideas? >Louise You shouldn't always be working with someone the same height and weight...you need to work versus all shapes and sizes, including vs men. You CAN tell her 'I'm going to take you down this time' and do it nasty. But the nice way is to say 'I really need to work some on my take-downs. Please start this off with just a little resistance and gradually increase it so I can learn.' Then tell her 'a little more' or 'a little less' etc. but take her down each time. Don't do it so fast that she can't react but take her down or make her tap out -- every time. If she won't fall at that point call your instructor over and ask 'how do I adjust the technique here when they're resisting it like this to make it work?'. I'm a firm believer that except for a few drills or if one is dealing with an injury, techniques should be all the way to a take down and finish every time; and particularly at a testing. David N. Beck, WATT Lead Engineer Internet: David.Beck@alcatel.com Phone: 972-519-3103 Address: MS SDVS-2, 1000 Coit Road, Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: "Elizabeth (Libby) Wiebel" Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:14:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #678 - -> at 238-240, I'd really like to find out what my % body fat is, and a - -> relatively inexpensive way to measure/monitor that periodically. - -> - -> Cheers, - -> - -> Charles R. - -> Moja Kwan Most gyms or health clubs have trainers who will do a body fat assesment for you... if you're a gym member, this is usually free or very low cost. Some will do it for non-members, too, but at a higher cost. Else, ask your doctor and s/he will either be able to do it for you or refer you to someone who will. Libby - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Libby Wiebel | ewiebel@cs.wm.edu | http://www.cs.wm.edu/~ewiebel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ there is a hope that's been expressed in you the hope of seven generations maybe more and this is the faith that they invest in you it's that you'll do one better than was done before inside you know, inside you understand inside you know what's yours to finally set right and i suggest, and i suggest to you and i suggest this is the best part of your life ~ susan werner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:03:23 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Stress Kicking All, >Even though Hapkido does not stress kicks to the degree that TKD may...< I have a different perspective. TKD kicking was greatly influenced by HKD kicking. At the Hapkido schools I am involved in, we stress kicks to a serious degree. We have a large number of different kicks, and variations of application. It is because of the variety, that we don't concentrate on any one kick, but rather concentrate on kicking. Then we do self-defense drills, including defense for kicks. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:06:20 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Guns Well said Ray, Vic and Mark! Donnla, hopefully our four posts gave you some ammo to show your friend his flaw in thinking. I second Ray's comment about Mas Ayoob. His courses are very valuable to someone who wants to carry a firearm for self-defense. His book In the Gravest Extreme should be in your self-defense library. (I was so glad to get my copy autographed this last summer when I got to meet him.) :-) Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:16:38 PST Subject: the_dojang: interesting reading Interesting read, Peakche of Korea and the Origin of Yamato Japan. http://gias.snu.ac.kr/wthong/publication/paekche/eng/paekch_e.html Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:40:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Adkins diet I tried the "Atkins" approach. After some major disruptions/changes in my life I dropped the program, but it worked when I stuck to the program. Sincerely, Rudy>> Rudy , did you have a hard time staying with this? Any ill effects? What would you reccomend instead? How much did you lose and how much stayed off? Jack ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:32:02 PST Subject: the_dojang: Mas > I second Ray's comment about Mas Ayoob. His courses are very valuable > to someone who wants to carry a firearm for self-defense. Agreed. Been thru his LFI-1 and LFI-2. Would also like to get LFI-3 and -4 down the road. Been to Gunsite and various other places and IMO Mas' courses are up there with the best of'em. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:23:31 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: Kicking > So...... a word of advice to those out there in the kicking arts: if your > warm ups and stretches don't address the IT band and Psoas stretches I would > suggest doing a little research and starting them up yourself. Sounds like excellent advice. Can you tell us a bit more about these stretches? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:31:32 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Stress Kicking > >Even though Hapkido does not stress kicks to the degree that TKD may...< > > I have a different perspective. TKD kicking was greatly influenced by HKD > kicking. At the Hapkido schools I am involved in, we stress kicks to a > serious degree. We have a large number of different kicks, and variations > of application. It is because of the variety, that we don't concentrate on > any one kick, but rather concentrate on kicking. Then we do self-defense > drills, including defense for kicks. On the HKD side, in SinMoo HKD, GM Ji teaches that in the high roundhouse kick (kick #7 to him) the off hand is placed palm down on the ground for support and proper body alignment. On the high back kick (kick #17 to him) both palms are placed on the ground. Are these two kicks for you more TKDish in nature or more as I've described above? Just curious... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:32:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #679 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11!