From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #683 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 14 Dec 2001 Vol 08 : Num 683 In this issue: Re: the_dojang: Firearms training the_dojang: RE: High Kicks stuff the_dojang: 15th Annual ASLET Training Seminar the_dojang: RE: Attitude check the_dojang: RE: Time Marches ON...across my body!!! the_dojang: HKD Kicking the_dojang: AAU Calendar of Events 2002 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:28:56 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: High Kicks stuff Dear Ray: On the HKD side, in SinMoo HKD, GM Ji teaches that in the high roundhouse kick (kick #7 to him) the off hand is placed palm down on the ground for support and proper body alignment. On the high back kick (kick #17 to him) both palms are placed on the ground. Are these two kicks for you more TKDish in nature or more as I've described above? Just curious..." Killing two birds with one stone, let me go on record that Yon Mu Kwan Hapkido stresses kicks more along the line that Patrick alluded to in his post. No big surprise considering the relationship between GM Myung and GM Ji. However, I have found that the combination of variety and emphasis on self-defense rather than sport competition tends to produce curriculum which supports light, uniform emphasis across a spectrum of kicks rather than heavy emphasis on a select group of "bread&butter" kicks. In response to your comment about the hand placement on the ground for high kicks, this sounds to my ear as a compensation introduced through the Taek Kyon influences on Hapkido. I have taught kicks as techniques which rarely go above diaphram level and almost never go to the head (unless the head has been brought down to a more respectable level). I also teach the Roundhouse Kick as a "sacrifice kick" understanding that no matter how fast it is, the kick still requires that the practitioner perch on one foot while tossing a fifth of their body weight around about 90 to 180 degrees. This needs to be a calculated risk, and should entail some sort of set-up first. The fact that a person of GM Ji' standing would identify a need for some additional stablization by planting one or both hands on the ground to execute a head-high kick would seem to support this approach. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 8:20:57 PST Subject: the_dojang: 15th Annual ASLET Training Seminar 15th Annual ASLET (American Society of Law Enforcement Training) International Seminar Law Enforcement Education & Technology Exposition Anchorage, Alaska February 19-23, 2002 Including: Close Quarters Tactics Aboard Boeing 737 Physical and Pshchological Tactics Needed to Survive Hostage Situations Psychological Profiling of Criminal and Terrorist Offenders Post Traumatic Incident Recovery Procedures Hundreds of Exhibits Roundtable Discussions and Plenary Sessions info@aslet.org www.aslet.org Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:35:26 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Attitude check Dear Ken: "...one student in particular was really bad and I am going to have a word with his parents and defer him for a month to see if his attitude changes, if not then it will be a complete fail for him...." Good for you! One of the most important aspects I see of MA is the appropriate attitude and motivation in acquiring and applying necessary skills. I can truely appreciate how frustrated that Instructor must have felt watching people crank through the motions with lackluster performance and lukewarm enthusiasm. Screw that! If people are that apathetic about learning a MA let 'em go take up video games or sit down at the mall and people watch. Just don't come banging on my door and whine about how there is an epidemic of fat children in the USA, that kids don't seem to be able to set goals for themselves or have any sense of community responsibility. For my money, Ken, you are right on it. I also think its a good point that the parents are involved and have not just abdicated responsibility to you to fix the situation while they attend to other matters. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:22:31 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Time Marches ON...across my body!!! Dear Greg: "...I've seen a number of specialists over the last few months, and talked to a few others, and all have come to a consensus that the kicks in my martial art have really done a number on my body. Couple the extreme range of motion with high velocity impact, with improper stretching (a bane of the MA world, in my opinion), and with a damaged knee to boot, you get one gimpy 29 year old...." Thanks for taking me up on my invitation. I have reread your post a few times and find myself a little confused. Maybe you could help me out. My original thought was that perhaps one kick more than another is especially punishing on the student striving for its development. I am going to guess that you would stay with your original assessment (Roundhouse Kick) on this basis. This would be to say that compared with other kicks there is something especially damaging to the biomechanics of the Roundhouse kick as compared to other MA kicks, yes? That said, I then read that there were confounding issues ("improper stretching"..."high velocity impact") which only made the matters worse. So my question is that had these confounding issues been addressed (IE. appropriate stretch and warm-up, moderate repetitions, etc) do you think the Roundhouse would still hold that position in your mind? Would it be possible to teach an effect Roundhouse for self-defense purposes and not have profficiency automatically entail disability at a later point in life? Seems like that would mean that MA must need be the perview of only the young and resilient. Thoughts? BTW: In this vein, as I get older I am surprised at the growing number of individuals I am meeting with spine and joint conditions that steadily reduce their ability to particiapte in training. Were people like OS Kano, Ueyshiba, Funakoshi and Shioda stellar exceptions that they were able to participate actively into old age, or are we doing something wrong in our approach to KMA? Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:24:45 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: HKD Kicking >On the HKD side, in SinMoo HKD, GM Ji teaches that in the high roundhouse >kick (kick #7 to him) the off hand is placed palm down on the ground for >support and proper body alignment. On the high back kick (kick #17 to him) both palms are placed on the ground. Are these two kicks for you more TKDish in nature or more as I've described above? Just curious... Ray Terry< Good point. The hand touch roundhouse I would attribute as a varation to the TKD kick. I will consult off-list for an answer on the back-kick. BTW due to the body type demands required for the above mentioned Back-kick, we rarely teach it. Thanks for reminding me I need to revisit that. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Professor Bill Dewart Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:20:48 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: AAU Calendar of Events 2002 Greetings Everyone, First let me wish everyone a Wonderful Holiday Season and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year. I just want to give everyone a "heads up" on what will be going on with us and our friends in 2002. Saturday, January 5th NEW YEARS BLACK BELT WORKOUT, 11:30 to 2 P.M. Everrett Middle School on Church St. between 16th & 17th Sts., in San Francisco. All Black Belts are welcomed to participate in this fun workout to start off the New Year! E-mail me if you need additional info. We will have these monthly Black Belt Workouts on the first Saturday of each month and again all Black Belts are welcome to participate. We work on forms (all types), one steps (Taekwondo is still a martial art not just a sport) and of course sparring. Again, e-mail me if you need additional info. To keep up this program we simply request a small donation from all who participate; whatever you are comfortable with work for us. Saturday, January 19th Eureka Valley Rec Center, adults only tournament hosted by Ken Craig and Triangle TKD. Should be a fun event and of course we will need officials. For additional info contact Ken at (415) 260-6239. Saturday, January 26th AAU Sanctioned Tournament in the Fresno area hosted by Paul Sullivan. This should be a very good event for all to participate in to really get the competition season off to a great start. For additional info e-mail Paul at pauls@madnet.net. Sunday, February 24th AAU OFFICIALS CLINIC at the Academy of Tae Kwon Do 988 Oak St. (at Scott St.), in San Francisco from 1 to 6 P.M. To coach or officiate at any of our national events you must be certified locally and work one local event. You must be certified to work the local events also so take advantage of this opportunity. Check my website after the Holidays to reserve a space (academyoftkd.com). Saturday, March 2nd Black Belt Testing!! We are not certain if it will be at the French American School or Everrett Middle School but check with me after the Holidays and I will give you the exact info. On the evening of March 2nd we are planning a semi-formal dinner for everyone who would like to participate. We are currently negotiating with a hotel in San Francisco and will let you know more when we have addtional info. This will give us all a chance to get together socially although I am sure Taekwondo will still be the topic of conversation at many tables unless wives or significant others demand more well rounded conversation. Don't panic, I am sure we can handle it!! Saturday, March 9th the UC Berkeley Open and this event speaks for itself. For addtional info about this great event contact Paula Aloi at skymartialarts@neteze.com. Sunday, March 17th AAU OFFICIALS CLINIC at the Academy of Tae Kwon Do 988 Oak St. (at Scott St.), S.F., CA 94117 from 1 to 6 P.M. Remember if you want to coach your athletes at the Norther California Taekwondo Championships on April 13th you will have to get certified before hand. Check my website academyoftkd.com after the Holidays for an application form to reserve a space. To insure outstanding AAU events in this area we need well trained, certified officials. We need each school to send at least two Black Belts to get certified as officials to work our events. We will take good care of them at all of our events. Thanks in advance. In late March my instructor GM S. Henry Cho will be holding his 38th Annual All-American Tae Kwon Do, Karate and Kung Fu Championships at Manhattan College in NYC. This is the longest running major martial arts event in the country. I would love to take a team from California back to compete at this event. It is point fighting, forms, weapons, self-defense and breaking competition so if any of you are interested please contact me and lets put our team together. Saturday, April 13th the AAU NORTHERN CALIFORNIA TAEKWONDO CHAMPIONSHIPS (formerly the State Championships). This event is the AAU qualifier for the Nationals and the Junior Olympic Games. They were originally scheduled for March 16th but we did not want to interfere with the UC Berkeley Open so we moved the event to April 13th. Packages for the Nationals and the J.O.'s will be available to competitors at this event. For applications amd additional info for this event check my website academyoftkd.com after the Holidays or e-mail me at your convenience. Wednesday to Saturday, July 3rd to July 6th AAU Youth and Adult National Taekwondo Championships, Greensborough, North Carolina. The AAU JUNIOR OLYMPIC GAMES are set for early August in Knoxville, Tenn. We will have additional info. on this later. As you can see this will be a busy year and we are looking forward to working with all of you. As always, if I can assist you in any way, please let me know. Peace. Yours in Taekwondo, Bill Dewart ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:11:02 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #683 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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