From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #686 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 17 Dec 2001 Vol 08 : Num 686 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Unhappy partners the_dojang: Tae Kwon Do Calligraphy? the_dojang: moo kwan the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #685 the_dojang: Re: Kukkiwon poomsae the_dojang: Re: Kukkiwon poomsae the_dojang: RE: Possible training Opportunity??? Re: the_dojang: Re: Kukkiwon poomsae the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:38:02 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Unhappy partners In a message dated 12/16/2001 11:57:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: Rudy writes: > In order to have a nice balance, it is essential that we make > room for the families of our students. This may take some doing and > ingenuity, but it is well worth the effort to see that a significant other > does not feel out of place at a martial art related gathering. > Master Rudy, I was not at all suggesting that significant others be excluded. Nor was I referring to school parties, picnics, or family events, at which every effort is made (or should be) to provide something for everyone. My reference was to (adult) dinners, such as those related to seminars, BB tests, or the like, which are primarily a social event for the MAs attending. I was referring only to those partners who do attend and obviously sulk or otherwise make clear their displeasure with the MA content of the conversation. This in spite of the efforts of the other MAs at the table to include and engage the partner. It is a shame when a MA excuses himself from a social event early saying that he must leave because the partner has had enough MA. Many of us spend the bulk of our MA time in the teaching and administration aspects of our schools and social time with other MAs is rare and precious. Ideally, a partner accepts that MA is a major part of the loved one's persona and supports them in their journey. Sadly, many do not in which case a thoughtful analysis is warranted of whether the partner's attendance will result in a positive outcome for all involved. Sharon ------------------------------ From: Jens Schaefer Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:50:01 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Tae Kwon Do Calligraphy? Hi all! Am am looking for a nice Taekwondo-Calligraphy - is there anybody out there who can share a nice GIF or JPEG? Thanks a lot in advance! - -- humbly yours Jens Schäfer Jens.Schaefer@aikyu.de "Bei der intendierten Realisierung der linguistischen Simplifizierung des regionalen Idioms resultiert die Evidenz der Opportunität extrem apparent, den elaborierten und quantitativ opulenten Usus nicht assimilierter Xenologien konsequent zu eliminieren!" (Quelle: Unbekannt) ------------------------------ From: Jonathan Primack Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:59:57 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: moo kwan All canadians, Be aware in may 2002 the tea e lee cup will take place in ottawa canada this is for wtf moo kwan only. John 4th gup moo kwan ------------------------------ From: "Dizzy S." Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:08:48 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #685 Ray wrote: <<<>>> My new school is associated with the Kukkiwon. When is this going to happen? Are they going to be harder? ..... Dizzy _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:29:06 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kukkiwon poomsae In a message dated 12/16/2001 2:57:25 PM EST, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 8:52:56 PST Subject: the_dojang: Kukkiwon poomsae New (old?) news from the Kukkiwon... The Kukkiwon has several projects underway to create a new set of poomsae. New Dan forms are being created first and should be introduced this coming year. After that new gup level forms will be introduced. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>> I have a stupid question: Why? It seems every time we turn around these days, someone is coming up with a new set of forms for TKD. ITF and WTF have their own forms, as does the ATA. Where does it end? When I was active in the MA, we went through three sets of forms before we ended up with the current set we used. While it's not too hard for lower belts, it was a pain in the neck to learn a new series of forms when you're a higher ranked belt or even a BB. Is it just me, or is this addition of another set of forms with have the effect ofn splintering TKD even more? Craig ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:23:10 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kukkiwon poomsae > The Kukkiwon has several projects underway to create a new set of poomsae. > New Dan forms are being created first and should be introduced this coming > year. After that new gup level forms will be introduced. Oh no, not again... ;) I never thought I will live to the day when we will call Taeguk poomsae "the old forms" ;D Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:24:35 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Possible training Opportunity??? Dear Sharon: "... Spouses or significant others should understand that MA social gatherings > invariably entail some MA discussion of one type or another. If they can't > handle it, they should stay home, rather than have their poor attitude dampen > the occasion for their partner and others at the table. If the MA knows > their significant other resents the MA emphasis, they would be doing everyone > a favor to leave them at home...." I don't know, Sharon, thats pretty strong stuff. Having been married to an X-Illinois Bell/ATT/Lucent Tech person these last many years I can tell you that I have attended not a few Xmas, birthday, retirement and office parties. Discussion is invariably about things "telecommunication". Kathy and I have laughed about it, fought about it, and come to the understanding that when one is in Rome it should not be unusual to find people speaking Italian, yes? In fairness I will say that she does what she can, but the job of making sure that I am included in the social flow of the occasion is my own. I agree that if a person is simply averse to MA/MT themes perhaps it would be better if they didn't attend and save everybody a lot of work. Thats the easy answer. And I don't think that the MA enthusists are somehow mandated to make things particularly pleasant for people who do not share their interests. Going back to my theme of some posts ago I continue to support the idea that Martial Art training is not just something we do with our body and that a significant part of our responsibilities is to the community. Perhaps one way to meet these responsibilities is to practice diversity, acceptance, patience and compassion by using such an opportunity to work with someone with whom we have, at first glance, nothing in common. In this way perhaps what could be an awkward social moment might become a very valuable training opportunity. Just a thought. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 7:11:08 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Kukkiwon poomsae >> The Kukkiwon has several projects underway to create a new set of poomsae. >> New Dan forms are being created first and should be introduced this coming >> year. After that new gup level forms will be introduced. > > I have a stupid question: Why? Just a guess, but the complaint in Kukkiwon circles for some time now has been that the TKD forms do not well reflect TKD sparring. If this is the motiviation the new forms could(?) be something rather different from how we view forms today. Another guess is that if (and this is a big if) the ITF is to merge with the WTF one roadblock could be which forms to use. Perhaps neither of the current sets would be used.?. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 7:13:27 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #686 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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