From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #692 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 23 Dec 2001 Vol 08 : Num 692 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #691 the_dojang: Bodyfat/electrolyte gizmo/Atkins the_dojang: Holidays the_dojang: Re: President the_dojang: OT but important the_dojang: Ho from OH ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:30:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #691 In a message dated 12/20/2001 4:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: Kerry writes: > Well, it's YOUR opinion they're sulking. Maybe they've had a bad day, and > they've gone above and beyond to attend with their partner. Maybe the > attitudes of those around them are less than conducive to social > interaction. There's certainly nothing like being exluded and ignored by > the self-proclaimed "in" people to make MY day. Do you try to engage them > in conversation relating to THEIR interests? Or are MA the be-all and > end-all of the universe? Dear Kerry, Good thing I'm wearing my fire-retardant gi! ;-) I was very specific in my post about the situation I was referring to. I quote: "I was referring only to those partners who do attend and obviously sulk or otherwise make clear their displeasure with the MA content of the conversation." I have not only experienced this firsthand, but also had incidents related to me by others (of various arts) of how a disgruntled partner made an event unpleasant. Kerry writes: >There's certainly nothing like being exluded and ignored by the self-proclaimed "in" people to make MY day. Do you try to engage them in conversation relating to THEIR interests? Absolutely. I have participated in many a non-related conversation at MA events. Many non-MA partners are pleasant and participatory whether the topic is MA or not. Again, my post was very specific, "This in spite of the efforts of the other MAs at the table to include and engage the partner." I'm sorry if you have found yourself excluded at events and experienced that sour taste left in the mouth you mentioned. Kerry writes: > Yeah, these events are MA-specific, but that > doesn't excuse any of us being critical of non-MA partners. Seems to me > that serious martial artists would apply the lessons in respect and be a > little more accepting of others. Maybe a little sugar instead of vinegar > would attract a new martial artist, instead of alienating them. What a > concept! I was not criticizing non-MA partners at all. I was encouraging MAs to use judgement in their inclusion of an unhappy non-MA partner. Serious MAs, in my experience, tend to be very good at showing respect to others. It's unfortunate when that respect is not returned. I wrote: > It is a shame when a MA excuses himself from a social event early saying that he must leave because the partner has had enough MA. Many of us spend the bulk of our MA time in the teaching and administration aspects of our schools and social time with other MAs is rare and precious. Kerry writes: > Yeah, many of us do. But it seems to me many more of us are students ( > there are certainly more students than teachers out there, right? ) who have > more to our lives. That sometimes includes significant others who are not > into MA, and it benefits us and our partners both when we share each other's > lives, anf that may include leaving early in deference to their wishes. > Hey, at least they showed up, right? I was not criticizing the MA for leaving early. I was expressing sympathy for the MA who makes it clear that it is not his/her wish to leave, and for those of us remaining that miss the MA's contributions in conversation. As for "at least they showed up, right?" No, I disagree. If they show up with a bad attitude, perhaps it's not for the best. I wrote: > Ideally, a partner accepts that MA is a major part of the loved one's persona and supports them in their journey. Sadly, many do not in which case a thoughtful analysis is warranted of whether the partner's attendance will result in a positive outcome for all involved. Kerry writes: > What crap. How awful that not everyone involved had a positive experience! > A thoughtful analysis??? Sheesh. A thoughtful analysis just might reveal > that self-centeredness and self-importance is going to guarantee that a > person is never going to be satisified. Apologies again, but then I'm just > having a bad day. > > Disgustedly, > Kerry You're absolutely right that, "A thoughtful analysis just might reveal that self-centeredness and self-importance is going to guarantee that a person is never going to be satisified." Those are the ones to consider leaving at home. I'm sorry you're having a bad day. Maybe you should avoid social events until you're feeling happier. Sharon ------------------------------ From: Sarah Pride Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:03:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Bodyfat/electrolyte gizmo/Atkins Whoo boy, I've just been catching up on a month's worth of DDs. Believe me, it is annoying to get that far behind! You see all sorts of fun stuff to comment on, but it's old news already and you don't know if it's already been said yet. :D Anyway... Atkins has, in the short term, many health benefits indeed. If you keep it up for years, however, all that saturated fat may cause you some problems. The healthiest way to eat is an even balance between good proteins and carbs with plenty of fiber - no sugars if possible! Yes, I did Atkins for about six months at one time myself. Beforehand, I weighed 165 lbs. Afterwards, I weighed 140 lbs. This is me, a 5' 5.5" tall female equivalent of the stumpy dwarf. :D Now I weigh about 150 lbs, but my bodyfat percentage is about 15-16% and decreasing daily. At my lowest scale weight, my bf% was probably somewhere around 23%. So how did this happen? Three years from my lowest scale weight, I have been following a workout plan called Body for Life - three cardio days per week, three weightlifting days, one day with no exercise at all. It is so good; I was one of those overweight people who busted their butts every class, but who could never quite measure up to the "lazy" people who had actually already put in the effort to get into good shape. Now I still bust my much-smaller butt, with results that are much less frustrating! I finally feel like an athlete (now if only my sprained ankle would finish healing!). Anyway, besides possible long-long-term shortcomings, Atkins made me grouchy. Seriously, extremely grouchy and irritable. Plus, my breath smelled, as did the rest of me. With BFL eating, however, once I got in the swing of things I felt indescribably better. Unlike with Atkins, I can really imagine eating like this for life; I don't crave that nasty sugar at all any more! Plus with BFL, you have one day each week when you can eat whatever you want. Seriously, you can, though after the first few weeks I didn't really want much I didn't eat normally. I'm sure Atkins would work just fine for anyone, however, as long as they also made sure to regularly weight train and exercise outside of TKD or Hapkido class. Right. I was going to speak about the electrolyte gizmo. Well, I have one, but I don't trust it any more. It doesn't seem to go down at all unless I lose scale weight. During the last eight weeks of my first twelve weeks of Body for Life, my scale weight only went down two lbs. However, during this time I lost another inch and a half off my waist, an inch off each thigh, and one and a quarter inches off my rear end. My bf% calipers showed a decrease from 20% to 15% bf during this time. The electrolyte gizmo, however, read 25% bf for the entire 8 weeks. Do I trust it any more? No, I do not. Let me also get in a little plug for weightlifting here. Everyone should weightlift, totally. If the only exercise you do is cardio, a good portion of the weight loss you see might be _muscle!_ Believe me, with how hard that stuff is to build, you don't need to go burning any of it. Weightlifting sessions don't have to be long... 45 minutes of intense effort three times a week is enough to build muscle pretty well. Believe me, in my first twelve weeks of BFL I lost 15 lbs of fat and gained 5 lbs of muscle. Not only that, my pushup max (all the way down with good form) rose from 15 to 35, my mile time dropped from 10:36 to 8:52, and I can now do three pullups. Want to find out more? Read the book. Body for Life, by Bill Phillips. Shoot, this is long. :P :P - -Sarah- 1st geup WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:25:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Holidays I'd like to wish everyone on the list a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:40:58 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: President In a message dated 12/18/2001 0:46:34 AM EST, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:18:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: President Craig writes: >>From what I've heard of the current ITF/WTF relationship, Master Timmerman > has a better chance of being elected President of the United States then > those two groups getting together...... What's up Craig, you don't think I would make a good pres?:) Rudy >> No, I think you have more common sense and integrity then to get involved with politics -- although, whenever you would reach an impasse with Congress, you could always challenge the Congressional leadership to a best two out of three falls match.....^_^ Craig ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:39:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: OT but important Merry Christmas. Subject: a christmas thought > > > Twas the night before christmas, He lived all alone, In a one bedroom house made of plaster and stone, I had come down the chimney with presents to give, and to see just who in this home did live. I looked all about, a strange sight I did see, no tinsel, no presents, not even a tree. No stocking by mantle, just boots filled with sand, on the wall hung pictures of far distant lands, with medals and badges, awards of all kinds, a sober thought came through my mind. For this house was different, it was dark and dreary. I found the home of a soldier, once I could see clearly, the soldier lay sleeping, silent, alone, curled up on the floor in this one bedroom home. The face was so gentle, the room in such disorder, not how I pictured a United States soldier. Was this the hero of whom I'd just read? curled up on a poncho, the floor for a bed? I realized the families that I saw this night, owed their lives to these soldiers who were willing to fight. Soon round the world, the children would play, and grownups would celebrate a bright Christmas day. They all enjoyed freedom each month of the year, because of the soldiers, like the one lying here. I couldn't help wonder how many lay alone, on a cold christmas eve in a land far from home. The very thought brought a tear to my eye, I dropped to my knees and started to cry. The soldier awakened and I heard a rough voice, "Santa don't cry, this life is my choice; I fight for freedom, I don't ask for more, my life is my god, my country, my corps." The soldier rolled over and drifted to sleep, I couldn't control it, I continued to weep. I kept watch for hours, so silent and still and we both shivered from the cold night's chill. I didn't want to leave on that cold, dark, night, this guardian of honor so willing to fight. Then the soldier rolled over, with a voice soft and pure, whispered, "carry on Santa, it's Christmas day, all is secure." One look at my watch, and I knew he was right. "Merry Christmas my friend, and to all a good night." This poem was written by a marine stationed in Okinawa, Japan. The following is his request. I think it is reasonable..... Please. would you do me the kind favor of sending this to as many people as you can? Christmas will be coming soon and some credit is due to our u.s. service men and women for our being able to celebrate these festivities. Let's try in this small way to pay a tiny bit of what we owe, make people stop and think of our heroes, living and dead, who sacrificed themselves for us. Please, do your small part to plant this small seed. > Neal ===== Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty. John F. Kennedy (1917-1963) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:43:02 PST Subject: the_dojang: Ho from OH HoHoHo from Ohio. 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