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Re: Revoking Rank (TKDgalSamm@aol.com) 3. Hapkido rules (Master West) (Ray Terry) 4. Weapons Certification (Joel McTague) 5. Quality Control (michael tomlinson) 6. Certification (michael tomlinson) 7. Fear Based Continuum (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:14:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Tourism/culture guidebook Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net English Guidebook on Culture, Tourism Issued January 17, 2002 With the start of the World Cup soccer finals less than five months away, the Culture-Tourism Ministry has issued an English-language guidebook on Korea's culture and tourism, with various maps on major cultural and tourist attractions across the country. Titled "Explore Korea: Essence of Culture and Tourism," the 360-page, 290x290 mm book, features details on tourist attractions, along with maps of the nation's seven metropolitan cities and nine provinces. Useful information and tips on cultural experiences in Korea are illustrated in the theme section, while that on the use of public facilities, accommodation, transportation and basic Korean phrases are found in the appendix. One of the main characteristics of this book is the walking tour map, which provides details and close-up views of special tourist locations, such as Seoul's Insa-dong, a street studded with antique and art and craft shops. Thematic maps contain various information on traditional foods, clothes, houses, museums, cultural experiences, festivals, eco-tours and shopping. A ministry official said that free copies of the book would be distributed to press organizations, tourist agencies, museums, libraries and research institutes in foreign countries. The ministry is also set to issue the same book in Japanese and Chinese languages within two months. As the book is quite large, the ministry will also issue pocketbooks containing similar information for the convenience of tourists. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:06:56 EST From: TKDgalSamm@aol.com To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Revoking Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have read two recent posts I'd like to briefly comment on ... they follow below ... >>>>>>>>> >If it's a fact that we members of the greater Hapkido community we are > all one argument away from having our rank revoked, then perhaps we all > need to be informed of this. And would you even want to be part of an organization that permitted somethinglike that to occur? Ok, I'll shut up now... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, That, and the political crap such as revoking rank and/or charging exhorbitant fees, is the same reason why there are now so many associations. At least, that is the way I see it. For a "way of life" that is supposedly founded on the wonderful tenets (that many now seem to have abandoned), it is a shame we cannot even get along. Sincerely Rudy. 1st ... I'd rather NEVER study again than be involved with an organization that permitted something like that to occur. 2nd ... I can't think of a more appropriate term for revoking rank than "political crap". That being said though, I honestly don't believe any instructor can really, truly "revoke" rank. How can anyone take away knowledge? Impossible IMVHO. Respectfully, Loretta --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:43:58 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido rules (Master West) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hello Ray, > > How does one have a Hapkido tournament without broken bones? I've discussed > this here in Tucson and the concensus at the school is that it isn't > feasible. I'd like to know more. This sounds like a good question for Master West. I believe he once mentioned defining rules for a Hapkido tourny. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joel McTague" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:34:28 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons Certification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think Michael and Craig missed my first point about other disciplines having certifications. No, I wouldn't necessarily want a neurosurgeon who got their Board certification in a weekend seminar, but that's where the quality control aspect comes into play. I agree it's hard to learn any weapon in the short time you have in a weekend seminar (OK, maybe Tibetan Gopher Throwing can be done in a weekend), but it's usually in that short period of time you learn the fundamentals of that weapon. Then, only after practicing with it for a while, should you receive anything other than an attendence certificate. Advanced belts, however, often can extrapolate more from the seminar than the newbie. I remember an interview with Stephen Hayes from the early 80s where he stated that he believed all a weapon is really is an extention of an empty hand technique. Where that is a gross oversimplification, IMHO, there is a large amount of truth in it. Weapons are used the same way we would use our empty hands if they had the property of the weapon. If our hands were razor sharp instead of blunt instruments, our punches would be more slices than what we think of a punch now. In a weekend seminar I think it is possible to learn the basics of a weapon, but then its up to the practioner on where to go after that. My point is simply that certification is good so long as there is some measure of quality control. Those on the list who advocate that all certification is bad miss the point: they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Those on the list who advocate that such and such a weapon isn't Korean (or Japanese or Chinese or whatever) and therefore should not be taught in a Korean (or Japanese or Chinese) martial art miss the point: effective martial arts that have survived are conglomerations of other styles which borrowed from other techniques and often times other cultures and, for martial arts to progress into the future, should continue to borrow. If an instructor tries to pass a nunchucku off as a traditional Korean weapon, you know what type of instructor you are dealing with. Now I can understand an instructor who teaches the nunchucku with a Korean influence on the style of execution, but that's an entirely different point all together . . . --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:44:39 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Quality Control Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy I agree with you on the point of quality control and developing teachers that can teach. In my opinion these two categories are some of the most important things that need to be developed in EVERY martial art these days.. now before I open the negative flood gates just let me say that I'm not talking about clamping down politically or organizationally on people and restrict their creativity, I'm agreeing with your ideas of making sure your teachers CAN teach,, I have coached and taught in the school systems for many years and yes I am "certified" to do this in both arenas, and NO this didn't happen in a weekend but over the course of many many years and as a "quality control" stop check every 5 years I must take at least 120 inservice hours in my fields of teaching to be "recertified" by the State of Florida,, to be "recertified" in coaching I must attend numerous workshops and seminars on everything from first aid to legal ramifications of my actions on the fields and on the mats every year,, if these requirements aren't met then I am out of a job. Another thing I encountered that I really liked when it comes to teaching was the way Master Rick Nabors handled my 4th dan belt test for qualifying me to become an instructor in Sin Moo Hapkido,, instead of beating me to death, (which by the way there was more than enough of that),, he had me demonstrate every technique once slowly and explaining every movement I took and give him the reasoning behind why each movement was necessary to make the technique work,including footwork which is very important, then I had to do the exact same technique again at full speed to show that I could do it,, I thought this was a great way to do this,, once to show that I understood what I was doing and once to show that I could DO it. He told me that 4th dan in Sin Moo was more then just doing the techniques but it was for becoming a Sin Moo Hapkido instructor and being able to spread the Sin Moo techniques to your students correctly,, (now that is a good way to train your teachers and also manage quality control at the same time)! I did have it a little easier than Master Nabors does,, I have seen one of his students do a technique not entirely up to Doju Nim Ji's standards so then Doju Nim Ji would "demonstrate" the "proper" way to do the technique on Master Nabors,, let me just say that we were all thinking,, dude I'm glad that's not me Doju Nim has a hold of right now!!! Now that's quality control with a lot of pain to jog your memory,, I think this is how it was done in the old days,, pretty cool to watch(sorry Rick), but not much fun to feel!!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:46:26 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Certification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig writes: <> Craig R.>> That is exactly my mind set on this whole experience,, I couldn't of said it better and I couldn't agree more with this idea!!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:10:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Fear Based Continuum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Of possible interest, forwarding from the ASLET list. >FEAR BASED CONTINUUM > >I got this Fear Based Continuum from Mr. Roy Bedard, who is the Owner and >President of RRB Systems International, Inc. I like this Fear Based >Continuum because it makes sense. It works off of a persons natural >instincts and fears. > >Before I get started, I will need to explain a couple of things. I will >first list the Fear Based Continuum and then explain each level. But before >I do that, lets talk about an officer's authority. This is important >because we must understand when an officer has authority and when an >officer does not have authority. > >When I teach the use of force to a basic recruit class or sometimes even an >in-service class of experienced officers, I always ask them how much >authority do you have and when do you have that authority. I tell them, you >will hear things such as "You're a cop 24 hours a day," or that your >department policy may require you to carry your firearm and badge with you >off-duty and require you to act if you see a crime occur within your >jurisdiction. And again, I ask them, "When do you have authority as a law >enforcement officer?" You would be surprised at the answers I get. > >Some say "all the time" and others "when you check on duty for your shift" >is when your authority starts. And I have to tell them...wrong! At this >point I begin to get puzzled looks. I explain to them that there are only 3 >things that gives us authority and without those 3 things we have >absolutely no authority what-so-ever, whether on-duty or off. Even if we're >on-duty, without one of these 3 things, we don't have the authority to tell >anyone to do anything. So, what are these 3 things that activate an >officer's authority? Reasonable Suspicion, Probable Cause, and Exigent >Circumstances. Once one of these is present, then the officer has authority >over the person or situation. I really stress this because it seems that >this is what gets officers in the most trouble. Exercising authority over a >person or situation when the officer actually has none. > >An officer must understand and except this because it plays an important >part of the first level of the fear based continuum. > >Here are the 4 levels of the Fear Based Continuum. > > a.. Fear of Embarrassment > > b.. Fear of Escape > > c.. Fear of Injury > > d.. Fear of Great Bodily Harm or Death > > >Fear of Embarrassment > >This is an important part of the Fear Based Continuum. This is a situation >where the officer has no authority over a person or situation. An example >of this may be where an officer has initiated a citizen or voluntary >contact with a subject. The subject may be with a group of friends or there >may people standing around watching. > >When the officer makes contact and asks the person if he/she can speak with >them, the person tells the officer to "screw off" or starts mouthing off at >the officer. Other people are around and this usually causes the officer >some level of embarrassment. But the officer has to remember, that with a >citizen/voluntary contact, none of the 3 elements exist that activate our >authority, so there is nothing the officer can do in this situation except >swallow their pride. > >This type of situation occurs over and over again on a daily basis and >unfortunately, some officers react to that embarrassment by exerting >authority over that person they don't have. It is important that we stress >this to our officers because as with any use of force, the officer must >have authority over the person or situation. If not, then any amount of >force used would be considered excessive and the officer would have >committed an unlawful seizure of the person. > >I can't stress enough how important it is that officers understand this. We >all have a fear of being embarrassed both personally and professionally. We >need to realize that it is going to happen and in most cases, there is >nothing we can do about it. > >Naturally, this would not apply to a Reasonable Suspicion (Terry v. Ohio) >stop, because now 1 of the 3 elements is present that activate our >authority over the person or situation. As we all know, in this situation >an officer may use reasonable force to detain the person until the >suspicion is dispelled or probable cause is developed for an arrest. > >The next 3 levels of the Fear Based Continuum are based on the officer >having authority over the person and/or situation. > >Fear of Escape > >This is when an officer has detained or actually placed a subject under >arrest and the subject begins resisting the officer. The resistance from >the subject is not threatening to the officer, the subject is merely trying >to get away from the officer by tensing and pulling away, not letting the >officer get close, or actually running away from the officer. > >The officer fears that the subject will escape from custody and therefore, >the officer uses low level tactics such as transporter techniques, pain >compliance techniques, takedowns or pepper spray (OC) to subdue and control >the subject. > >Fear of Injury > >This is when an officer has detained or actually placed a subject under >arrest and the subject begins to fight with the officer. Unlike the Fear of >Escape where the subject is just trying to get away, the subject has now >become aggressive and is actually fighting the officer. This may be in the >form of the subject swinging or kicking at the officer. There is no intent, >apparent ability or opportunity on the subject's part at this time to cause >the officer great bodily harm or death but the officer fears injury by the >subject's actions. > >The officer in an effort to defend him/herself and to subdue and control >the subject may use higher-level tactics such as punches and kicks or >impact weapons strikes to approved areas of the body. Or if available, the >officer may use other intermediate weaponry such as a stun gun or other >electrical device. > >Fear of Great Bodily Harm or Death > >This is when an officer has detained or actually placed a subject under >arrest and the subject begins to fight with the officer. Unlike the Fear of >Injury where the subject has no intent, apparent ability or opportunity to >cause the officer great bodily harm or death, the subject is now attacking >the officer with or without a weapon and has the intent, apparent ability >and opportunity to cause the officer great bodily harm or death. > >Due to the subject's actions and/or the presence of a weapon, the officer >fears great bodily harm or death and therefore may utilize a firearm or >other deadly force tactic such as a baton strike to the head, punch to a >lethal area of the body, etc., to subdue the subject or control the >situation. > >This Fear Based Continuum is designed to fit within an existing force >policy or continuum and can be modified to meet an agency's guidelines. I >like the Fear Based Continuum because it works off our basic fears and >instincts. > >I've been in law enforcement for 14 years and have experienced each of >these levels in the Fear Based Continuum. Instinctively, in the blink of an >eye, I knew whether the subject was trying to get away, hurt me, or kill >me. We all have these instincts naturally and I feel it is much easier to >train officers on how to respond based on these natural instincts. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest