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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (rich hodder) 2. Tradition and MA (Alagna, Steven M) 3. Fw: HapKiDo Competition Rules (J. R. West) 4. One more fact on Hapkido Chun Do Kwan (Michael Choi) 5. Rank quotes (Patrick L) 6. GM Ji, Han-jae (Michael Choi) 7. New to the digest (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 8. Re: Alain Burrese Hapkido Self Defense Video (Victor Cushing) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "rich hodder" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:42:28 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net OUCH!! Jack, we TKD/TSD types were just starting to enjoy not being on the political chopping block for a change. semper fi, Rich _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Alagna, Steven M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net.'" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:45:24 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tradition and MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> 4) I am hard pressed to find a problem with bringing in other martial arts styles and integrating them with the one you're studying. I find the "fundamentalists" who want to freeze a martial art and reject all other influences miss the point. Martial arts are about adaptation to changing conditions. Your opponent will not always be static. Your opponent will not always fight using the exact same style and techniques you studied. One of the major advances Bruce Lee made through Jeet Kune Do was this flexibility in martial arts to look at other systems and styles and to examine what works and what doesn't. Many martial art styles were founded because the founders found the previous style too limiting and unadaptive to then current conditions.<< I have no problem with people who want to preserve tradition, you see it everywhere from language, culture, and food to architectural style... keeping things authentic and taking pride in it. Are the people who own "authentic" Mexican or Italian restaurants fools or should they update themselves and offer more of today's popular faire advertised on TV. I do have a problem with people knocking others for wanting to venture out, learn more, find the blind spots in their arts. I do agree we shouldn't represent something it is not whether you are trying to make a buck or not. Respect each other for what they are trying to do whether they want to preserve tradition or add to their current art. If you are honest with people and work dang hard, they will follow you and tell others to do the same. I don't really like the word "opponent" when referring to someone who is trying to hurt/attack me and more than likely they aren't concerned with style or technique. I'm not going to get into a fight, I'm going to end the encounter NOW! Craig R said: >>Bruce Lee was the first to look outside his MA for new ideas, but I feel he rejected everything that didn't fall into his narrow view.>> In my opinion, I don't think this is true. Can you go back into the history of MA and honestly say this never happened? >>Two people trained in the exact same art will teach that art differently -- different techniques, different emphasis, and different drills.>> I think this will always be true because you have to make the techniques work for you. A 110 lb. woman will perform a technique differently than a 225 lb. man. You can preserve the concept, but your exact limb positioning and placement may vary. >>Also running around trying to gather techniques here and there in a haphazard manner is also not a good idea.>> Totally true, you do not want to be a technique collector. Steven M. Alagna --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J. R. West" To: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:11:57 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fw: HapKiDo Competition Rules Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: HapKiDo Competition Rules > Ray, et al: > It is true that I was involved with the establishment of rules for a > HapKiDo-type tournament held in Korea over 20 years ago, and while visiting > the KiDoHwe in Seoul in 2000, I thought that the rules that were being > demonstrated to my students and me by VP Master Kim, Jung-song seemed eerily > familiar...BUT!!! I was STRONGLY against the idea of locking techniques for > competition. While training in class, if your partner puts an arm-bar on > you for basic motion practice, you automatically tap as soon as you feel the > pressure...Now, put a two dollar plastic trophy or medal into the mix, and > your tendency to resist becomes too much for the mind see clearly, being all > fogged up by testosterone. Let's face it, HapKiDo techniques were designed > for one thing only, and that is the quick and easy dismemberment of the > human body...and guess what!! THEY WORK!! I believe in Murphy's law, that > "anything that CAN go wrong, WILL go wrong, and at the worst possible time", > but you can add West's Corollary to that, which states "Murphy was an > optimist". Even under the watchful eyes of Masters Kim, Jung-song, Kim, > Hyung-suk (Dr. He Young Kimm) and myself, two of my students (a 4th dan and > a 3rd dan) escalated a "trial competition" to the point where everyone > thought it was best they stop before they killed each other. As far as I'm > concerned, lets leave HapKiDo competition in the realm of "what > if"........J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 4 To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:14:08 -0500 From: "Michael Choi" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: [The_Dojang] One more fact on Hapkido Chun Do Kwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I forgot to add one important fact about Hapkido Chun Do Kwan led by Master Yu, Chun-hee. It is one of the oldest kwan members of the Korea Hapkido Federation (Sadan Bubin Daehan Hapkido Hyubhoe). (BTW: I am certified through KHF. My dan number is available upon request, but only if one's motive is sincere. I don't pass it out lightly. Since I'm currently working for the NM State Senate, I already have enough politics as it is. Plus, I have my graduate studies to keep me busy, too. I don't need Hapkido politics.) Have a nice weekend, Michael --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:18:27 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Rank quotes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To All, My REAL rank is human. And with all due respect to GM Ji who is quoated as saying "never lie to yourself because your soul will not forgive you". This quote leaves a lot of wiggle room (IMHO used by too many Martial Artists) to lie to and about others. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 6 To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:34:54 -0500 From: "Michael Choi" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji, Han-jae Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When I was training with Grandmaster Ji Han-jae in December, I quickly learned how good (and painful) his technique was. Since I trained in Korea and was well-versed in all the breakfalls including hoi-jeon nakbup (aka flip-fall, jump-fall), he used me as his training dummy. My wrist never has been in so much pain! One of the most painful is the one where he locks the wrist behind his back! I'm glad my breakfalls where up to speed. He was throwing me like a rag doll whether it was the outer wrist lock-throw, shoulder throw, or hip throw. The first time he threw me, he had a wry smile and said it was fun having someone he could do throws on. (I wonder what the Buddhist Priest student was thinking when he saw me thrown and locked up. ;-) Then there was the technique with the lapel grab where he hit the back of my neck. He held back on the strike, but I blacked out for a split-second. For a 65 year old man, he still is one of the best technical (and most devastating) hapkido men alive. Michael --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:43:53 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] New to the digest Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you all for those warm greetings. I feel much more welcome already and its only the first day. Wow. What a difference a day makes. Someone asked me the following question. <> No, it was not me. Although a lot people in the region have similar names. I guess it the way those Arabs name folks. LOL. Are you a Hoi Jeon Moo Sool practitioner? I'm not but I met Grand Master Myong Jae Ok while I was in Korea. I am also close friends with both of his sons. Too bad for the eldest son. Such a nice guy and everything. ===== Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:54:41 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor Cushing Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Alain Burrese Hapkido Self Defense Video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is a review of Alain Burreses new video set now in my possession. This review uses a format that may be familiar to many of us, but content and opinions offered here are my own. Vic Cushing Company: Alain Burrese Tape Name: Streetfighting Essentials: Combining Western Boxing and Hapkido into an Unstoppable Self-defense System Tape Cost: $59.95 + 3.95 Shipping Length of Tapes: 2 Tape Set Total of 165 minutes Number of Moves/Techniques: Not used as a criteria, though there are plenty. Return Policy: Unknown Experiences in dealing with this company: Excellent The Instructor: Alain Burrese Company's Address: 1506 Ernest Avenue, #20. Missoula, MT 59801 Company's Phone Number: 1-406-543-7240 Web Page: http://www.burrese.com E-mail: aburrese@aol.com Reviewer: Vic Cushing modernhapkido@att.net www.modernhapkido.org Primary Grading Criteria: 1. Production/Tape Quality: 10 2. Instructors demonstrated skill level: 10 3. Comprehension Score/Immediate Understanding: 10 4. Degree to which this will make someone a better Martial Artist: 10 5. Score on delivery vs. Hype: 10 6. Degree to which we would recommend this product: 10 7. Wasted time (The higher the number, the less "fluff"/repetition: 10 8. Playback Score/Watching it over and over again: 9 9. Would I purchase more of this company's product: 10 10. Overall grade based on cost vs. Value: 9 Grand Total: 98% (4.0 stars = Excellent) Secondary Grading Criteria Series: 1. Beginners benefit: Excellent 2. Intermediate benefit: Excellent 3. Advanced benefit: Excellent 4. Time to benefit: Some Immediate, greatest benefit with practice of course. 5. The need to buy additional tapes to understand this one: None. Although when combined with an earlier tape Hapkido Hoshinsul: The Explosive Korean Art of Self Defense any viewer with practice, would have the ability to flow into joint locks as well Written Summary: Alain Burrese has added yet another excellent video to his first tape, Hapkido Hoshinsul: The Explosive Korean Art of Self Defense, which allowed the beginner and the advanced student to both learn. In that tape he presented the basics of selected Hapkido joint locks applied in a variety of situations so that the novice could appreciate the way basics may be strung together. The advanced student could refresh and test his/her understanding of how techniques relate to each other without just going down the checklist of techniques required for each rank. This two tape set of videos entitled Streetfighting Essentials: Combining Western Boxing and Hapkido into an Unstoppable Self-defense System is 165 minutes of clear demonstrations and explanations of basic strikes, footwork, low line kicks, escapes from chokes, grabs, bear-hugs showing hard hitting, fast paced, non stop use of techniques to defend yourself. Alain draws on his background from Judo, Hapkido, the military, his experience as a bodyguard and bouncer to formulate the 165 minutes of this tape. The video, as the title suggests, is all about blending several martial arts into a system for defending yourself from real attack. In this video Alain provides the viewer with a simple set of effective options which they can use to stun or disable an attacker so that they can escape safely. Burrese sets the stage by using the big four of Western Punches: The Jab, The Cross, The Hook and the Upper Cut combined with straightforward footwork. He shows the best target for each punch and then shifts gears and introduces the palm heel strike as a hand-saving alternative for violent confrontations. He then covers a number of other alternative strikes. Alain is all business. There are few bells or whistles in these tapes, though they are professionally produced with good visuals and camerawork that seamlessly shows alternative angles. There are reality inserts of attack scenarios each with a successful defense built out of the elements covered in the tapes. Even if you are well versed in Self Defense, there will be something for you on this video. It is pretty much crammed with quality information. Alain is to be commended for using different size partners including Thad Brinkman who looks like he could fill most doorways. Alain talks about modifying techniques based on the size of your attacker. It is always nice to see training partners that look like they could really do damage. The material on the tapes covers basic upper body strikes, and lower body strikes in a variety of attack situations. Pat Sergott, my long time training partner, calls this A to the face, B to the Base. Alain Burrese displays this same no nonsense, cut to the basics approach. Here is some more of what you will find on this video. There is a variety of real life Attack scenes liberally sprinkled through the tapes with a discussion of Stages of Awareness: White, Yellow, Orange, and Red. There is advice about using good judgment not to escalate confrontations. There are demonstrations of De-escalating and neutral stances along with an explanation of Combat Footwork. There is time spent on a collection of evasions: i.e. getting off the Centerline by moving on a 45: angle for Punches, and Clinches, Moving Outside against a punch, with and without a parry, Moving Inside against a punch, with and without a parry. Avoiding Straight and Hook Punches, combined with Blocking There is a section on Upper Body Strikes and Target Identification, including: Jab, Cross, Hook, Uppercut all with instruction on the Proper Body Mechanics to generate power for each strike. Then other strikes are shown: Palm Heel, Arc Hand (Tiger Mouth), Hammer Fist, Knife Hand, Volleyball Smash (Descending Palm Heel), Ear Slap, Eye Strikes, Forearm, Elbow, Head butt, and, Biting There is a section on Lower Body Strikes and Target Identification, including: Front Kick, Side Kick, Scoop Kick, Roundhouse Kick, Stomp Kick, Knee Strikes ( Forward, Roundhouse, Rising). There is ample material on Escapes from Grabs and Chokes, including breakaways from simple wrist grabs, one handed grabs, two handed grabs, grabs from behind, grabs on upper arm, escape from front choke(s) with shoulder stop, escape from front tackle/push using strike to supra-jugular notch, escape from front choke by dropping to one knee and groin strikes, escapes from rear choke(s), escape from two handed grab at throat, escape from front lapel grab, escape from hair grab, escapes from bear hugs, escapes from headlocks ( front, rear and side), escapes from rear naked choke (early reaction), and an escape from the full nelson. There is a section on how to fall properly including front falls, and rolls, back rolls, and side falls. Alain does a very good job of conveying the basics and tips for safe falling. This section then moves into showing how to execute throws, drags, head twists, pull-downs, and finishing moves. While it would behoove any fighter to know how to fight from the ground in case you do end up there, Alains philosophy is dont go to the ground voluntarily, and when you find yourself there, get up as fast as you can using strikes, and kicks to make space to get up. So most of what you will get on this tape does not deal with any BJJ moves, but stays at the level of how to get up and away. He does show one way to get rid of an attacker in the mount. Some of the attack scenarios have multiple attackers, and even though Alain really doesnt make a fuss about that verbally, it is clear that the elements he has put onto this tape are crucial to dealing with those situations. He concludes the tape with several demonstrations of how to put the pieces together to apply a series of techniques in one explosive flurry of counterattacks to an attacker. Alain keeps em flowing, until the bad guy is done for sure. This tape set balances nicely the need to teach specific moves with the knowledge gained from having actually being there. The material is excellent, the production quality is good, and the delivery on the promise is very good. This tape set is a worthwhile addition whether you are going to buy one new tape set to add to your collection or you are just starting a library for your own study. As Alain says, This tape is designed for the person who does not want to study martial arts for years.and help the martial artist who wants to cross the boundary over into the real self defense situations . He promises to narrow the training down to those essentials that will help the viewer, and this tape set keeps that promise. He is also very careful to point out various safety concerns in doing certain techniques with a training partner. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest