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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. 'Grand Poohbah of the dojang' in Korean (Andrew Pratt) 2. Susuk (ABurrese@aol.com) 3. Wang Guhn (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 4. Arirang Festival in North Korea (Anthony or Clare Boyd) 5. susuk - guess (Anthony or Clare Boyd) 6. Doju Nim Ji in Colorado (michael tomlinson) 7. Hapkido In Charleston, SC (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 8. Re: determining seniority (FGS & KVF) 9. Seniors/Teachers and students (Dizzy S.) 10. Counter to proposed regulation of the martial arts (AnimalMac@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:19:34 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] 'Grand Poohbah of the dojang' in Korean Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, You wrote in Dojang V9 issue 33 (Already!) > A TKD grandmaster awarded me a belt that says, among other things, "Susuk Sabumnim" on it. What does Susuk mean? I figured it probably meant something like chubby old white boy.?.?. Yes? No? :) < A quick look in my dictionary says that susôk means 'chief or head.' Translated your belt reads 'Grand Poohbah of the dojang'!! Hope that helps, Andrew --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:33:49 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Susuk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>What does Susuk mean? I figured it probably meant something like chubby >>old white boy.?.?. Yes? No? :) Ray, It means "top" So "top instructor." Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:45:08 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Wang Guhn Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was watching the Wang Guhn television series this evening and was wondering why the Koryo army put salt into the river when the Baekche army was approaching the river gorge. Does it have something to do with the herbal tea that the King Baekche offered Wang Guhn during the plague of Koryo? Sorry if this question does not have anything to do with martial arts. I was just curious. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:04:00 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Arirang Festival in North Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the front page of the Korea Herald this morning there was an article about possible permission to attend this Festival. (direct link to article: www.koreaherald.com/SITE/data/html_dir/2002/01/22/200201220057.asp) Later in the article it mentioned the particulars of the celebration: "Pyongyang's media have said the festival would include mass calisthenics of unprecedented form and scale, with more than 100,000 participants" - Jan 22, 2002 Korea Herald They certainly know how to throw a party in North Korea, eh? Anthony Boyd www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:55:18 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] susuk - guess Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, This is just a guess without seeing the hangul or hearing it pronounced but it could mean "Top Placed" or it could mean "Smooth Round Stone". (or a thousand other things) Take your pick, oh "chubby, white, grand-poobah of the internet," Sir. I can give you a better answer if you send me the hangul spelling. Anthony Boyd www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:08:20 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Doju Nim Ji in Colorado Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I met Todd at a training session in Tampa at Master Nabors Dojang during one of Doju Nim Ji Han Jae's events. Todd is a cool guy and really down to earth, I highly recommend anyone that is interested in the Sin Moo Hapkido training with Doju Nim Ji to visit Todd's event in Colorado,, you will have fun and learn more about Hapkido then you could ever imagine. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:24:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido In Charleston, SC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know of or suggest/recommend a Hapkido school or teacher in the Charleston area?? There are several Akido dojos. Thanks in advance. Brian --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:48:55 -0800 From: FGS & KVF Organization: yahoo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: determining seniority Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At the 3 schools that I have been involved with, seniority is rank, then age. So if 2 BB are in the room, and both are 1st degrees, but one is 35 and the other 19, the 35y/o has higher seniority, only if they are the same age, does time at rank count. Spunky > Subject: [The_Dojang] How to determine seniority > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I would like to get people's opinion of something that > I have not ever been able to have adequately expained. > In determining a person's seniority, what are the > primary (or overarching) factors? If person X reaches > first degree black belt before person Y, but person Y > eventually passes up person X in dan level, who has > seniority? Does person X always have seniority > regardless of rank just because he reached first dan > earlier? --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Dizzy S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:52:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Seniors/Teachers and students Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Andrew wrote: <<<>>> Hiya Andrew. I have to agree somewhat. I had a Korean/American friend in my old dojang. Her mom (who is from south Korea) taught her that the younger people should respect the elders, not the other way around. She had a problem (I donno if I call it a problem) with respecting "kids" who wear black belts. She was nice to them and all, but she wouldn't "bow" to them or call them by their last name. Sah Bum Nim once told me that you have to give respect to get respect. Someone else mentioned something about students and teachers. I might be in another school and style now, but I will always concider my old teacher as my teacher, and TSD to be my "mother art". To me, that is respect to my first teacher. When I visit NJ, I always go back to my old dojang to train. Dizzy white belt TKD 5th gup TSD _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 10 From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:59:08 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [The_Dojang] Counter to proposed regulation of the martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From Marc Animal MacYoung Hey folks, every now and then revenge-seeking fruitcake comes up with the idea of getting their state legislator to push for establishing a regulatory board for the martial arts. One of the major bones of contention is having a karate guy deciding if you are qualified to teach your art...or even if your art is a legitimate one. There is massive hue and cry from the MA community and everytime it is brought up it is fought down again by Internet alert and counter campaigns of letter writing. This wheel is reinvented time and time again. Thing is, a few years ago Florida did a feasibility study about doing this very thing. And their finding?...Forget it, it's impossible. It is a can of worms which once opened will turn into a nightmare for the government. Now popular resistance is one way to get a politician to sit up and take notice...on the other hand, it's better when combined with asking him "Do you really want to be the guy who pushed through legislation that turned into a massive -- and expensive -- circle jerk for the government? Especially after you were shown a feasibility study on it?" Talk about a kiss of death for a political career. Anyway, there has been widespread interest on this topic, so I ask my wife Dianna Gordon MacYoung to dig up the exact name and number of this study. Thank her for the work. I'm just passing it on. The next time someone goes on a binge about regulating the martial arts, here is the information about where you can get the study to soundly beat them around the head and shoulders while shouting "BAD IDEA! BAD IDEA!" Keep it on file...because I don't think the wife will be willing to do it again. In fact, you might want to post this post onto other email lists/forums that you are on. Moral outrage is one thing, a black and white report saying it's a foolish idea is even better. ******************** Dianna Gordon MacYoung Here's what we have. I'm asking **** if we have a copy of the report. If not, the next best thing is calling the legislative audit bureau in Florida and seeing if they have one. ***************************** DOCUMENT: RCH9517641 TITLE: Sunrise Study on the Proposal to Establish Regulation of Martial Arts Instruction STATE OF ORIGIN: FL DATE: 941101 PERSONAL AUTHOR: Unlisted ORGAN. AUTHOR: Committee on Business and Professional Regulation SCOPE: CA FL IL LA NY FE DC FO LENGTH: 60 pp. FORMAT: Abstract INCLUDES: Illus, Bibliog, Statutes TOPICS: OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING, SELF DEFENSE, SPORTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Sunrise Study on the Proposal to Establish Regulation of Martial Arts Instruction This report examines a proposal to regulate martial arts instructors in Florida. There are an estimated 600 martial arts schools in the state. There is no overall organization of authority for the numerous disparate styles of martial arts, although there is usually a particular certifying organization to which the individual schools belong. Florida has no state, federal, or local regulation of the practice of martial arts instruction. Any complaints relative to these schools are handled by the Division of Consumer Services in the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. The division has received 15 such complaints in the last three years, primarily having to do with contract disputes. The report does not recommend regulation of martial arts instruction at this time, because it finds no significant incidence of actual harm. ********************** Marc Animal MacYoung http://www.diac.com/~dgordon --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest