To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<--------------- The_Dojang mailing list --------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Update on Dr. Kimm's History Book (J. R. West) 2. ITF and WTF TKD/Quit smoking (Dizzy S.) 3. wtf vs. itf (CKCtaekwon@cs.com) 4. Names (Ray Terry) 5. ITF-WTF forms (James R. Blankenship) 6. Korean Terminology (Brian Larkin) 7. Factions (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J. R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:27:50 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Update on Dr. Kimm's History Book Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As of a few nights ago, the earliest we can expect the completion of the Dr. Kimm's "History of Korean Martial Arts" book is sometime in 2004. Whether it actually is available at that time remains to be seen, but I can assure you, it is not for lack of trying. When all the information was assembled, it seems that there was 3,300 pages (book pages) of material, which had to be trimmed almost in half to fit in two of his monstrous volumes. One of the beauties of Dr. Kimm's work is the "between the lines" knowledge, but you must know the key to understand his explanations..for example, if he says "according to so and so", you can pretty much figure that the information is "suspect"....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Dizzy S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:58:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF and WTF TKD/Quit smoking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Stefano wrote: <<<>>> Ray wrote: <<<>>> Stefano, I'm confused, too. My school is a WTF TKD (Kukki-TKD). The forms are the Kukki-accepted forms, and sparring, but my teacher also mixes in Kung Fu (Chin Na self defense, and shaolin (sp?) forms in higher color belt ranks). I have a question also. Why doesn't TKD schools (well, ones around me) use Korean term? When I studies TSD, we ALWAYS used Korean term for everything (kicks, blocks, punches, teachers, ect). My new school only uses Korean term for salute the flags, and bowing. That's it. Ray, from what I can see (from books and the net), the Kukki-forms we do are the same as the Kukki-forms accepted by the WTF. But I'm not a TKD expert, yet. I is still a baby (white belt) in TKD hehehehe (till saturday WOOOHOOOO). Dizzy white belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 3 From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:12:41 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] wtf vs. itf Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 2/5/02 7:04:27 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I just discovered that the school I attend to is a rather intersting > hybrid of both ITF and WTF, which confuses me. The Instructor uses the > ITF approved pattern but follows the WTF standard of sparring. It is > bizarre because I thought the dojang is affiliated with WTF. Am I > making too much of a deal over this matter? > > Stefano > > Yes, > gary Gary Pieratt Castroville Karate Club www.askarate.com Have a Great Day! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:14:13 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Names Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have a question also. Why doesn't TKD schools (well, ones around me) use > Korean term? When I studies TSD, we ALWAYS used Korean term for everything > (kicks, blocks, punches, teachers, ect). My new school only uses Korean term > for salute the flags, and bowing. That's it. We frequently do, but they will usually(?) differ from those you probably used in your TSD dojang. e.g. you probably used jase for stance instead of seogi. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: jblanken@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (James R. Blankenship) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:38:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF-WTF forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Stefano writes: > I just discovered that the school I attend to is a rather > intersting hybrid of both ITF and WTF, which confuses > me. The Instructor uses the ITF approved pattern but > follows the WTF standard of sparring. It is bizarre > because I thought the dojang is affiliated with WTF. Am > I making too much of a deal over this matter? I earned a shodan in TKD (ITF forms) about 1986. I moved & started different styles, but have always kept in touch with TKD & TKD players. I have personally seen WTF players or do-jangs that use only ITF forms, that use both ITF & palgue forms, that use both kicho & Palgue forms, that use only Taeguk forms , that use both palgue & taeguk forms, that use the pyong-an fors (but don't remember whether they did them solo or along with another set of forms), & that use no forms, fighting only. (I've moved a lot.) That is most of what I have run across, although I might be forgetting one or two folks I've talked to over the years.. I suspect a lot of it depends on what forms the instructor learned as a student, and what was in vogue when they became certified to teach, but that's just a hunch. Added to the degree of standardization in Hapkido (shodan, 1983) & I have often thought that Korean MA's more closely resemble political affiliations than specific styles. I don't mean this as a knock. I'm proud of my Korean training. (To head off another thread, I know shodan is Japanese, but when studying HKD & TKD I used il-dan to refer to 1st degree black belt rank & was told to use shodan rather than the Korean. I understand that this is often no longer the case.) Jim Blankenship jblanken-NO@SPAM-ccat.sas.upenn.edu --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Brian Larkin" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:04:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Terminology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey everyone.. just wondering if someone could help me out here. I also posted this to the Tae Kwon Do Usenet group, so I hope I don't offend anyone. That being said, I am looking for the Korean namese for certain moves. A few examples in Japanese/English: Kote Gaeshi - Outside Wrist Turn, O Goshi - Major Hip Throw, Gokyo - Gooseneck. I know certain Aikido moves (Ikkyo, Nikkyo, Sankyo, Shiho Nage, etc..) Just stand for numbers, but I also know there were older Jujitsu (or Yawara) names for these moves. I just can't find them. Any and all help would be appreciated as I am tired of using Japanese names in a Korean art. It just seems wrong to me. To summerize; what did Choi call all of those Aikijutsu moves he learned from Takeda?? Thanks in advance everyone! Brian www.photographicjunkie.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:56:04 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Factions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Next thing pertains to Mr. Hancocks comments about the split of MDK. > How many of the members have been in a situation where the master you > were studying under quit, retired, or expired (to put it politically > correct). The reason is that my master recently had surgery, at > first it was thought to be worse than it turned out to be, thank > goodness. But I know that there are 2 factions in my school. My > instructor is on one side and most of the other instructors are on > the other. I hope to not be forced to choose because it will be a > very tough decision. I have been through that with the passing of my Eskrima instructor. Not much fun seeing the brotherhood split, but sometimes it is just bound to occur and you get through it the best and most honorable way that you can. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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