Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #69 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Tae Kwon Do Times articles (Rudy Timmerman) 4. JB Lee's Hwarangdo HKD tapes (Ray Terry) 5. Re: What is Hankido? (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Taekwondo Poomse (Ray Terry) 7. RE: What is Hankido? (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 8. Re: changing one practice for another (spunkykvf) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 11 Feb 2002 09:19:43 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] What is Hankido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA > > > > www.ushankido.org > > Can you give us an intro to Hankido and the International HKD Federation > mentioned above? Hankido is a style developed out of 'traditional' Hapkido by the late Myong Jae Nam. Master Myong had a dojang in Incheon Korea, and during the sixties got involved with Japanese aikido. Although Hapkido people say, the art of hapkido does not require any physical power, in reality, you can't make use of hapkido techniques unless you use power (or pressure points). Myong Jae Nam started (influenced by what he had seen in aikido) the development of his own martial art. When you see hankido in action for the first time, you'll notice the similairity between hankido and aikido. Master Myong developed his style, with the thought that it should be an easy martial art to learn. Well, he didn't succeed in that. Although the basic movements of hankido are easily learned, understanding the principles requires *a lot* of exersice (on a daily basis for a couple of years). A famous saying in hankido: it is better to practice one techniques a thousand times, than a thousand different techniques. Hence hankido consists of only 12 basis techniques, which can be applied in many different situations. These techniques are designed so it well help the student understanding ones own body movement as well as movement of the opponent. Because hankido is not that easy to learn, it is hard to find good hankido instructors. Myong Jae Nam didn't speak English (or any other foreign language for as far as I know, except some Japanese) so almost everybody in the west who studied hankido, learned hankido of one of his students or people affiliated with the IHF. Among these students of master Myong you had good ones and bad ones, ones who were in it for the money and the ones who were in it for becoming great martial artists.(you've probably seen the same in numerous other martial arts). This leads to the following, there are schools in the west who claim to teach hankido, but they don't. At the moment there are in the USA only few (probably 2 or 3) who know the full hankido curicullum. There are probably even less who have enough knowledge of hankido to be considered qualified as teachers (although they are probably great hapkido teachers). (I am not one of them, since I live in Europe, and am only a 3rd dan). If one is really interessted in hankido, contact the Ali Al Nasser from Sun Mu Kwan, I've had contact with him, and he's the most dedicated hankido student I've met in the US so far. Got any questions? Feel free to mail me (or use the dojang digest of course). -- Kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] hapkido video tapes To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 7:21:26 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Because I live in Middle east,in Lebanon, there is no hapkido school there. > I know that video tapes is not the best solution to train for a martial > arts and especially for hapkido, and as you know there is a lot of hapkido's > videos in the market could anyone please tell me what are the best hapkido > video tapes available in the states? When I recently visited with Grandmaster JI Han-jae he mentioned that his Hapkido videos should be available for purchase in another couple of months. You might want to wait until they are published. He said "March or April". Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:48:34 -0500 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Do Times articles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > Pg 22 has an announcement that John Beluschak of Clairton, Pa has recently > received a promotion to 6th Dan in Judo. Isn't this the same person that GM > Ji promoted to 5th Dan in Hapkido last year? He is pictured in a uniform > which includes the image of the Sin Moo Hapkido patch on his uniform. Am I > given to believe that this individual maintains mastery and standing in > both Judo and Hapkido? Hello Bruce: John is a nice gentleman who indeed does well in both areas, and he is more than willing to get on the mat to "share" his knowledge. > Lastly, there was an article in a recent magazine concerning a master who > is accomplished in the art of Kuk Sool Hapkido. I don't honestly remember > if this was hyphenated so as to mean an amalgam of Kuk Sool Won AND Hapkido > or if this was to identify Kuk Sool as a style of Hapkido art (which would > probably get MY vote). Back in the late 60's and early 70's, my certification clearly stated Kuk Sool Hap Ki Do, and it came signed by GM Suh In Hyuk. Around 1973, there appeared to be a large split between various Masters, and that is when my immediate Master Pak In Shyuk founded Kong Shin Bup Hap Ki Do. GM Kimm talked about Kuk Sool Hap Ki Do in an article in TKD Times quite some time ago. I also have a bit on it in my website. As with anything in the history of KMA, these are mere observations. Although I personally witnessed some of these events, there may be other explanations. > Last I heard, M Suh, In Hyuk was head of World Kuksoolwon Assn and GM Seo, In > Suh was head of the World Kido Assn. How does Kuk Sool-Hapkido (sic) play into > this? Anyone? I am not aware of any relationship other than that the technique of both Grand Masters is very similar. Their associations are a world apart. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:52:47 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] JB Lee's Hwarangdo HKD tapes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Oh, and also GM JB Lee has a large number of Hapkido (aka Hwarangdo) video tapes available. Just trying to upset Carsten a bit... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What is Hankido? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:07:26 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hence hankido consists of only 12 basis techniques, which can be applied > in many different situations. > ... > ... > At the moment there are in the USA only few (probably 2 or 3) who know > the full hankido curicullum. There are probably even less who have > enough knowledge of hankido to be considered qualified as teachers > (although they are probably great hapkido teachers). So I'm a bit confused (as all have probably realized by now). If Hankido only has 12 basic techniques it would seem that many would, or could, know the full Hankido syllabus. Is it that there are only 12 basic techniques, but 100s of advanced techniques, or ??? Just trying to understand. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo Poomse To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:09:40 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Here is some information that I came across that I had not heard of before. > The source is given below. > > http://sataekwondo.8m.com/poomse.htm > > "The first three yudanja poomse focus on Koguryo, since which is where Mount > Keumgang and Mount Taebaek are located. The middle three yudanja poomse > focus on earthly qualities which are associated with Paekjae, and the last > three focus on more spiritual concepts, which are associated with Shilla, > the Kingdom that was the unifier of the Three Kingdoms. Ilyo was originally > named Shilla Hyung." Excellent info. Thanks for sharing it. Here we see the importance of the number three (3) in Korean culture coming up again. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: What is Hankido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Sure. Feel free too. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:43:39 -0800 From: spunkykvf To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: changing one practice for another Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] God, Cults, and your Martial arts: > > > Did anyone else chuckle over the paragraph wherein Sell says >on page 33 of Mar. 2002 TKDT that, "Our martial arts training will reflect >biblical principles and Godly values rather than mystical and cultic >practices" > >Sounds like trading the cultic practices of one culture for those of >another. I guess those who join Sell's organization should have a high >level of tolerance for preaching of the Christian variety during class? >Eh. It may be fit for some, but it ain't for moi. Anyone have other >thoughts on this to share?? > >Take Care, >C.J. Hardman > I also noticed that statement re: no mysticism just christianity. Hm, well for those of either belief, it is mystic it is the "Truth". For those of us who aren't tied into one or the other, they are both mystical and open to interpretation by all. I personally like the MA philosophy and mysticism better, as I have never been on the receiving end of a diatribe about how their belief is the only one and anyone not agreeing will go to ... I like the idea in Tao of finding your way by working to improve yourself and helping others. Don't be judgemental, be accepting. I personally try to follow the way of self improvement and don't worry if there is someone who is leading their life differently than I am. 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