Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:03:20 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #70 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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(Atchinson, Kerry M) 2. 3 in Korea (Damian Jones) 3. 3s (Ray Terry) 4. RE: What is hankido? (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 5. Re: Picking my own poison.... (Bruce Sims) 6. Re: hapkido videos (ABurrese@aol.com) 7. A little help, please (Gary Pointer) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:14:50 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Touchy is as touchy feels ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Message: 4 > From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:31:09 EST > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Nomination > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > In a message dated 2/9/2002 6:52:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > > I crossposted the Guru question/comment posted here over to the Eskrima > list > > in hopes of demonstrating how sensitive folks can be about titles. > > I nominate Mr. Ray Terry for the Golden Stirring Stick Award! > > (A might touchy over there, aren't they!) > > Sharon > > Yes, I'd say they were in a down-right sulk. Sandbox, indeed! :) Kerry --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Damian Jones" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:36:52 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] 3 in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote "Excellent info. Thanks for sharing it. Here we see the importance of the number three (3) in Korean culture coming up again." Don't mention it. 9 yudanja poomse = 3^3 = (3*3*3) = 9 Oh yeah :-) On a similar note, why not have 9 Taegeuk poomse rather than 8? Back to the significance of 3, the site www.taekwondobible.com is a great source of info for the more philosophical background of taekwondo and it has a section "On Sam-Jae and Kang-Yu" where SamJae is the Sky (Haneul), Earth (Tang) and Man (Saram), three again... Damian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:28:54 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] 3s Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 3 info. Snipped from issue v06.n299 of The_Dojang, but also still available directly at http://korea.insights.co.kr/english/3inkorea/index.html. Ray ======================================================================== It was originally just explained to me that three was very important in the Korean culture because the number three was indicative of earth, man, and the heavens. But I wanted to find a little something more given that this view has been challenged by some in the past, so I went to the very interesting Korea Insights website (http://korea.insights.co.kr). An excellent resource on the Korean culture provided by the Samsung Foundation of Culture. One of the items documented there is "3 in Korea". The following is quoted directly: "Koreans have always had a special attachment for the number three. This sottae (graphic of a wooden post with 3 wooden ducks mounted on the top is omitted here), one of the many 'spirit posts' found at the entrance to rural villages across the country, is topped by three ducks, symbolizing prosperity and fertility as well as agrarian society's affinity for water. The number three has had profound significance since ancient times. Koreans have long believed that the harmonious balance of three elements -- the heavens, earth and human energy -- essential to all existence, and Koreans' affinity for the number remains powerful today." "Korean thought and religion is replete with threes, symbolizing completion and perfection. Tan'gun, Korean's mythical founder, was a triune figure, simultaneously a creator, teacher and temporal ruler. Buddhism centers around the trinity of the Buddha, his teachings and the Buddhist community. The number also figures prominently in folks belief. For example, when a son is born, the kumjul, or 'forbidding rope' hung across the gate of the house, is decorated with three red peppers and three pieces of charcoal." "In traditional society, children were expected to mourn their parents for three years after their death. Today most funerals are held three days after death, and three bows before the memorial alter are standard at rites paying homage to ancestors." "Much of Korea's traditional music follows a three-beat rhythm, and Korean food revolves around the three condiments: soy sauce, bean paste and red pepper paste. Many of the spirits found in folks religions come in threes, as do the decorations worn with the national costume, hanbok. In fact, it is difficult to find an aspect of Korean life that does not feature the number three." In addition, in the website's item describing "T'aeguk, the Supreme Ultimate. ... the three-part t'aeguk symbolizes the heaven, earth and humanity. Each part is separate but the three parts exist in unity and are equal in value. As the yin and yang of the Supreme Ultimate merge and make a perfect circle, so do heaven, earth and humanity create the universe. Therefore the Supreme Ultimate and the three-part t'aeguk both symbolize the universe." Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:01:32 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: What is hankido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Yes, it is easy to learn the 12 basic techniques, but you build from them into more advanced techniques. Just like kicking. There is a few basic kicks but many kicking combinations and or variations. Grandmaster Myong stated in a hankido manual "You should practice one technique for one full year. Thus it should take 12 years to learn all 12 techniques. You should practice Jan Ki Do slowly, quietly, correctly, and seriously in order become a master of the art." NOTE: Not many can say they studied hankido for twelve years here in the US when it was introduced in 1992. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:21:04 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Picking my own poison.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear CJ: "....Sounds like trading the cultic practices of one culture for those of >another. I guess those who join Sell's organization should have a high >level of tolerance for preaching of the Christian variety during class? >Eh. It may be fit for some, but it ain't for moi. Anyone have other >thoughts on this to share?? ..." I have been witness to those "Godly values" and the incredible violence which can be perpertrated in their name. I'm with you, CJ, in that I believe that values need to be encouraged and guided in the MA. However, I reserve the right to select my own toxins. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:04:58 EST From: ABurrese@aol.com To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: hapkido videos Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Check out the reviews of Hapkido Hoshinsul at www.burrese.com. Martial Arts Video Reviews scored it at 98%. Out of hundreds of videos reviewed at that site, this is one of the highest rated tapes there. Black Belt magazine also gave it a very positive review. Streetfighting Essentials: Combining Boxing and Hapkido has also recieved very high praise. Read the reviews at www.burrese.com Yours in Training, Alain --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:51:27 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Pointer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] A little help, please Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims, This is being done to answer your questions regarding GM Yong Ki Song, the NHA and GM Pointer. Here's the answers from a legitimate source. GM Yong Ki Song was an original student of Yool Sul's founder GM Choi. (An old photograph featuring him training with GM Choi was featured in a past article of Black Belt magazine a few years or so ago). GM Song is the founder of HanMuKwan Hapkido (1944) and it was officially recognized as a Hapkido Kwan in 1966. HanMuKwan is translated as Korean Military Arts School. In 1966, he became the first technical director for the Korea Hapkido Association (KHA). In 1985, the KHA changed its name (or became) the Korea Hapkido Federation (KHF); this encompassed the gathering of over 75 Hapkido kwans to organize under one banner with official recognition by the Republic of South Korea. GM Song is still the KHF Technical Director and Chief Instructor for the KHF Masters Course and Weapons Course. This means that every Hapkido master/grandmaster cannot be called such unless he personally certifies him/her through this (KHF) extensive and demanding training curriculum. The KHF is the world's premier Hapkido organization (I do not say this by merely being biased or self serving, but as fact and I welcome others to research this assertion). The National Hapkido Association is the western hemisphere fixture of the KHF in which GM Song is founder and executive director. This was done to give the western world the opportunity to receive authentic traditional Hapkido training at all levels from novice to advanced (first and foremost), as it is in South Korea and certification from a legitimate source (not by purchase, but through training, demonstrated by skill, commitment and contribution to the art & science of Hapkido). Let me introduce myself to you (all), I am Gary M. Pointer. I've been involved in the martial arts for over 34 years, having trained, matriculated and experienced the various Korean, Japanese and Chinese art systems both here and abroad. I too am a subscriber to the DD and I do monitor the digest and other mediums when I get an opportunity from my busy schedule. There are others out there who know me or know of me (hopefully they will also educate you about your query), but your inquiry was too tempting not to respond. I have been blessed to have the opportunity to be discipled by some of the world's most skilled, talented and qualified martial arts masters. I'm a personal student of GM Yong Ki Song, just as Dr. Richard Hackworth, whom I intially met while training side-by-side at GM Song's dojang in Suwon, ROK some 18 or so years ago. GM Song nominated me for the office of U.S. director and the NHA board of directors voted on my appointment...thus "new U.S. director" as you pointed out previously (this organization is a living, breathing functional entity and appointments are made by committee, not just by fiat). Dr. Hackworth serves as an advisor to GM Song, since he was NHA's first director when GM Song established it in the early 1990s. Sir, this is just a tid-bit and I hope that it answered your request, if not, feel free to seek more knowledge. By the way, I'm curious...who are you??? Hap-Ki ! Gary M. Pointer Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest