Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:08:59 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #71 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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First International Haidong Gumdo Festival (Anthony or Clare Boyd) 3. Re: First International Haidong Gumdo Festival (Ray Terry) 4. Hapkido books (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 5. hankido (Brian Beach) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] A little help, please To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:59:35 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >GM Song is the founder of HanMuKwan Hapkido (1944) and it was officially >recognized as a Hapkido Kwan in 1966. We must assume that it did not have that name in 1944, given that the name Hapkido did not exist in Korea yet. The Korean kwans as of 1945 were Moo Duk Kwan, Yun Moo Kwan, YMCA Kwon Bup, Chung Do Kwan and Song Moo Kwan. The Han Moo Kwan came later as an annex kwan of the JiDo Kwan. "LEE Kyo Yoon founded the Han Moo Kwan in August 1956..." (chapter 1, section 8 of the Modern History of TaeKwonDo) ?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" To: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:41:54 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] First International Haidong Gumdo Festival Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the year 2000, the Daehan Haidong Gumdo Federation held a national festival which laid the groundwork for future gatherings of this magnitude. Approximately 3000 participants came to the Korean site of the Asian Winter Games for three days of competition and demonstration. This year, 2002, the World Haidong Gumdo Federation is holding an international Festival in the same place, Yongpyong Resort in South Korea's Kangwon Province. www.yongpyong.co.kr The event will occur in August and run from the second to the fourth. (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) I have heard that workshops for foreign practitioners will be offered but cannot confirm that this will be so. Competition will include solo and group forms as well as cutting. Anthony Boyd www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] First International Haidong Gumdo Festival To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:38:41 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have heard that workshops for foreign practitioners will be offered but > cannot confirm that this will be so. Please let us know if this does occur. I have a Haidong Gumdo uniform that I haven't had a chance to wear yet... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido books Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am interested in purchasing one of Dr. He-Young Kimm's hapkido books but wanted to know the major difference between the hapkido bible and his other hapkido book. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:12:23 -0500 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] hankido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> ??? - Let me premise this by saying that I'm only a 1st Dan in Hapkido practicing for only 5 years so by no means an expert or claim to have a total grasp of the depth of Hapkido and have no knowledge of Hankido. But I thought the point of Hapkido was not to rely on power. If you are using strength to make a Hapkido technique work you are doing incorrectly. Any physical technique requires physical power. Lifting your arm requires an amount of physical power, minimal but there. I thought the point of "soft" martial arts ( Aikido, judo, hapkido, tai chi etc.) was never to meet force with force. Again - my experience with Aikido is limited but the main difference between Aikido and Hapkido application that I can see is, in the terms of Judo, the kuzushi or unbalancing of the attacker, the set up if you will. An example is a technique common to HKD and Aikido in Aikido terminology, Kote Gaeshi or wrist turn out. From a right punch both practitioners will step out side the punch to the left sliding down the punch grasping the offending arm at the wrist allowing the opponent rotate around the defender changing the momentum from liner to circular. The HKD practitioner may apply the wrist turn out when the opponent has rotated only a quarter way around stepping around the technique while the Aikido practitioner will allow the opponent to rotate a full 180 degrees before applying the technique. In both cases the power of the technique comes from the circular motion and the rotation of the hips changing direction. Neither one uses the power of the arms or hands as the the main source of power in the technique. The intention of the technique is also different in Aikido you are trying to subdue or "bring the attacker in to harmony by blending with him" While in HKD your intention may be subdue or it may be to break or dislocate the joint, so the change in direction is more severe. Sorry to belabor such a minor point but it stuck in my craw. Brian - the apparently easily annoyed --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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