Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #72 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: JB Lee's Hwarangdo (not) HKD tapes (Carsten Jorgensen) 4. Re: Hankido (Klaas Barends) 5. re: a little help please (Gary Pointer) 6. Re: re: a little help please (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Kuk Sool Won & Hwa Rang Do (Ray Terry) 8. Scott Shaw, Suh vs. Seo, etc. (Burdick, Dakin Robert) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:46:51 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool Won & Hwa Rang Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What are the major differences and similarities between these arts? During my travels to Korea, I have not noticed many Hwa Rang Do or Kuk Sool Won schools? I spend much of my time in Busan, but often travel to Incheon as well. Is it due to the fact that their headquarters are now in the US. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 12 Feb 2002 09:06:12 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hankido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > So I'm a bit confused (as all have probably realized by now). If Hankido > only has 12 basic techniques it would seem that many would, or could, know > the full Hankido syllabus. Is it that there are only 12 basic techniques, > but 100s of advanced techniques, or ??? Okay, I understand. Of course I could easily learn you the 12 basic techniques within a few weeks. That would be the 12 techniques vs. right hand grabs right wrist. Of course you also have right hand grabs left wrist, a punch, attacks from behind etc. etc. So there are actually more then 12 techniques. But that is not what makes hankido difficult, to have to fully understand these techniques. A few weeks ago we were discussing Hai Dong Gumdo (a Korean sword art) where a person explained that he still learned new things, even when doing basic exercises. It's the same with Hankido, practice every day equals learn every day which equals getting more insight in what Hankido is about. Thisn insight is what martial arts are (imho) all about, and hankido gives me a way of getting it. (something I missed when all I studied 'normal' hapkido (which doesn't necessarily others don't find this in hapkido). I've had the privilege of meeting Myong Jae Nam a couple of times and actually train with him several mornings in Korea, and being myself a student of his closest student master Ko Back Young. I anyone is interessted in Hankido, please contact me. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Carsten Jorgensen" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:33:01 +0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: JB Lee's Hwarangdo (not) HKD tapes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray: >> Oh, and also GM JB Lee has a large number of Hapkido (aka Hwarangdo) video tapes available. Just trying to upset Carsten a bit... :) << Man, it's working :-) 85 unread dojang-digests (real busy lately) and then I have to open this one.... Carsten -- _______________________________________________ Win a ski trip! http://www.nowcode.com/register.asp?affiliate=1net2phone3a --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 12 Feb 2002 11:49:38 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hankido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > If you are using > strength to make a Hapkido technique work you are doing incorrectly. That is not always true. How can a 1.60m long Korean weighing 60 kilos throw a 1.90m long American weighing 120 kilos, using a hipthrow? These were the problems master Myong and his students were facing in the sixties while they trained with a American marines on a nearby airbase. The difference is this: you can apply hapkido techniques with little force (use of energy), you can apply hankido techniques with minimal use of energy (no more energy than it would take you to walk). -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Pointer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re: a little help please Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Terry, thank you for the history of the TaeKwonDo kwans prior to the end of WWII in Korea. You are correct that Hapkido was not yet "coined" but it doesn't take away from the fact that there were those who trained in the complete arts of self defense. Again, I stand by my statement: GM Song was practicing what we today call Hapkido and had founded his kwan during that time frame. He was not a Taekwondoist, but a pioneer of what he had learned and it was latter termed "Hapkido". The generic term HanMuKwan, HanMooKwan, etc. is just that generic and the meaning is what it means: military arts martial arts (school). That term could be applied to TKD, HKD, Yudo, etc. I am not arguing with historic events, just want to set the record straight concerning GM Yong Ki Song's HanMuKwan Hapkido, remember the kwan/system/style wasn't recognized until some 22 years later by the KHA. Just dealing with facts, not what has been commonly known in reports of someone's historic interpretation. Hap Ki ! Gary Pointer Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] re: a little help please To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 6:47:02 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Again, I stand by my statement: GM Song was practicing what we today call > Hapkido and had founded his kwan during that time frame. What cites can you provide to back up that statement? Was this really Yawara instead of Hapkido? Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool Won & Hwa Rang Do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 6:58:31 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > During my travels to Korea, I have > not noticed many Hwa Rang Do or Kuk Sool Won schools? > I spend much of my time in Busan, but often travel to > Incheon as well. Is it due to the fact that their > headquarters are now in the US. Don't know if any HRD schools exist in Korea, but I thought most of the KSW schools were down in Busan/Pusan. You don't see any KSW there? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:38:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Scott Shaw, Suh vs. Seo, etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce wrote: > Pg 44 has more stuff from Scott Shaw, PhD. Should I be signing my posts on the DD with > my Masters' degree? Well, I've got to say that I still haven't found Scott's dissertation. I keep checking Dissertation Abstracts for this record, since he describes himself as a Ph.D. in "Asian Studies," but so far all I've found is a MA. that sounds like it might be him. Here it is: Shaw, Scott. "Marguerite Duras and Charles Bukowski: The yin and yang of twentieth century erotic literature (France)." MA. in Comparative Literature, California State University, Dominguez Hills, 1997. 155 pp. ISBN: 0-591-64559-9 This info is found at: wwwlib.umi.com/dissertations/fullcit/1387545 We've had this discussion in the past and others have pointed out that THEIR dissertations were not on UMI. Perhaps some schools don't list them? If anyone has any information on Mr. Shaw's dissertation, please let me know. If it is actually on Asian Studies, I'd like to read it. > Lastly, there was an article in a recent magazine concerning a master who is accomplished > in the art of Kuk Sool Hapkido. Rudy has already touched upon this. Kuk Sool Hapkido was around in the 1960s and 1970s. I guess some people are still doing it. The late Dan Rogers told me that he used to practice Kuk Sool Hapkido under Dr. He-Young Kimm. >Last I heard, M Suh, In Hyuk was > head of World Kuksoolwon Assn and GM Seo, In Suh was head of the World Kido Assn. Just in case doesn't already know - GM Suh and GM Seo are brothers. In Wade-Giles romanization, their last name is transliterated as "Seo." > Does anyone know why I would have been recommended to Glenns' Net (TKD.Net) as one > who would be intrested in participating? They must figure that since you argue with everyone here so much, you are an ok guy. You know, "the enemy of my enemy...." ;) Take care Bruce! We love ya! Dakin PS: Send me your mailing address would you? I still need to send you those tapes! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest