Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #74 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<--------------- The_Dojang mailing list --------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. You say matriculate, I say... (Atchinson, Kerry M) 2. Yawara (Ray Terry) 3. Re: Matriculating (David N. Beck) 4. re: misspelled belt (Arlene Slocum) 5. Re: embroidered belts (Morgan James) 6. embroidered belts (Maafa) 7. Embroidered Belt (NRE98@aol.com) 8. an interesting thread (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:37:19 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] You say matriculate, I say... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Matriculated? I've head of chewing the scenary, and of sinking your teeth > into a serious subject, but is this the term you wanted to use? Come to > think of it, this is a 'digest' after all...Food for thought? > > > David N. Beck, WATT Lead Engineer > Internet: David.Beck@alcatel.com > Phone: 972-519-3103 > Address: MS SDVS-2, 1000 Coit Road, Plano, Texas 75075 > ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** > Perhaps you're thinking of masticate? Something I'm sure you'll admit to doing... :) Kerry --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:20:12 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Yawara Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > If you like, you can take a trip to Suwon, ROK and speak with the man > himself. He is well known in the ROK or you can visit him at KHF HQ when > he is conducting the Masters Training Course or Weapons Course. Thanks. I'll probably be over there again this year. It would be an honor to meet more of the oldtime masters. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:44:24 -0600 (CST) From: "David N. Beck" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Matriculating Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry, you're right; somehow I had confused masticating with it... it WAS getting close to lunchtime... (back to lurk mode until I emerge to make a fool of myself once again...) David N. Beck, WATT Lead Engineer Internet: David.Beck@alcatel.com Phone: 972-519-3103 Address: MS SDVS-2, 1000 Coit Road, Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Arlene Slocum To: "Dojang Digest (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:48:59 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: misspelled belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >I just received my black belt and my name is not spelled correctly. Do most >of your schools put the students name on with embroidery? I was so upset I >cried, and I am not one to cry over a material possession. Congratulations on your promotion, Bobbea! I did not have a misspelled belt, but my birthdate on my official 1st Dan black belt certificate is incorrect. It makes me 2 days younger than I really am. I treasure it and hope my instructor makes the same error on my second Dan certificate. If it really bothers you, get the belt changed, but sometimes things that aren't perfect become the most treasured memories. Arlene Slocum Recommended 2nd Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School Lawrence, Kansas arlenes@geoaccess.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Morgan James To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:30:46 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: embroidered belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Your instructor should have never given you a belt with your name spelled incorrectly. That makes it look like he/she is giving out belts without putting any care behind it. Does your school have so many Black Belts that the instructor does not know you well enough to get the name right when he/she submits the order for it to be made? You have every right to be upset. That looks bad on the instructor who does this. I get all of my belts from Choi Brothers, Inc. in Chicago. They do an OUTSTANDING job on belt embroidery and would be more than happy to redo the belt if a mistake is made at their expense. James Morgan, Head Instructor Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy Lewisburg, WV --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Maafa" To: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:06:14 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] embroidered belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I generally only read the posts, but don't respond. However, I really was about to rip Bobbea a new one, until I read the email name. I still submit this post, yet I offer my humble apologies for my withheld thoughts. Maafa > Message: 9 From: "Bobbea Garrett" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] emboridered belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just received my black belt and my name is not spelled correctly. Do most of your schools put the students name on with embroidery? I was so upset I cried, and I am not one to cry over a material possession. After all the many hours spent training, helping trian lower belts in clinics, competeting in tornaments and helping with testing in my school, along with the sweating and bruising, I just want the belt to be right. I have been assured that it will be corrected but I was just wondering how often this happens? If you embroider your students belts, how do you handle errors? Thank you.< --__--__-- Message: 7 From: NRE98@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:57:57 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Embroidered Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The embroidered belt is a gift from the master instructor. If my name were spelled incorrectly, I would graciously accept it. It's just a piece of cloth, not what is in your heart and who you are as a black belt. I have seen misspellings, but no one mentions it at my school. Thanks, Nancy --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:43:34 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] an interesting thread Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net An interesting thread from the Korean studies list. Ray Forwarded message: Dear readers: Bruce is absolutely right in my view that there may be a strong influence of pre-war Japan upon North Korea. Having grown up under the Japanese rule (through elementary school), I thought all along that the North Korean practice of chuch'e was reminiscent of Japan's emperor worship and kukutai and other paraphernalia (such as terminologies) that accompanied them. The generation of people in North Korea who solidified the regime after the Korean War had largely shaped their intellectual outlook through their exposure to the authoritarian education of pre-war Japan, which in turn may have been augmented (or modified) by the Soviet (i.e. Stalinist) influence. It is not surprising at all that the Japanese of the pre-war generation find similarities between North Korea and pre-war Japan. At 06:28 AM 2/11/2002 -1000, you wrote: >Dear list readers, > >I should read all my e-mail instead of answering these things one at a >time. Charles is correct about my article in Hagen Koo's volume, except >that I think chuch'e was less a negative reaction to Japanese usages like >kokutai, as an appropriation of them for left-wing nationalist purposes, >which was a virtual pastime among European radical intellectuals in the >1930s (Mosca, Pareto, Manoilescu, many others). An organic politics and >self-reliant economic nationalism is the ideal here, but it's also where >right meets left when the world economy is in a shambles and every nation >is adopting go-it-alone strategies of one sort or another (new orders, new >deals, socialism in one country). > >There is a very good book to be written someday on the degree to which >interwar Japan influenced North Korea; mostly I've just heard anecdotes >from Japanese old enough to have lived through that period who later >visited North Korea in the 70s and 80s, and found it much more reminiscent >of Japan in the 1930s-early 40s than they could ever have imagined. The >most controversial point, of course, would be to link the suryong >principle to the Emperor, his birthday being a national holiday, his >acolytes finding new orchids to name for him, etc. etc. > >BC > > >At 09:01 AM 2/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Dear Ruediger, >> >>Dr. Petrov's statement is correct, but I doubt that Paek Nam-un's speech >>had much to do with the formation of juche ideology in North Korea, except >>by analogy -- that is, in retrospect we can see that the highly mobilized >>society of post-Korean War North Korea uses a similar rhetoric to wartime >>Japan. The notion of juche does have roots in early East Asian ideas of >>nation-centered subjectivity. Bruce Cumings argues that juche is a kind of >>negative response to Japanese kokutai ("national essence") the rallying >>point of pre-war and wartime Japanese patriotism and militarism. See >>Cumings' article on The Corporate State in North Korea in Hagen Koo's book >>State and Society in Contemporary Korea (Cornell University Press, 1993). >>Shutaisei (juchesong in Korean pronunciation) and its meaning was the >>subject of much philosophical discussion in 1920s Japan; see for example >>Harry Harootunion and Tetsuo Najita's chapter on Overcoming Modernity in >>Cambridge History of Japan, or for a more extended treatment Harootunian's >>recent book Overcoming Modernity. I'm sure there are others on this list >>with more expertise in Japanese intellectual history who could discuss >>that subject more extensively. Best, >> >>Charles >> >> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Leonid Petrov wrote: >> >> > Dear Frank, >> > >> > In April 1941, the founder of the Marxist Socio-economic school of >>historiography, Paek Nam-un, gave a public lecture titled "The Morality >>of Regulated Economy". One section of his lecture was titled "T'ongje-Ui >>chuch'e-wa sinch'eje-Ui sOngkkyOk" [The Subject of Control and the >>Nature of the New System]. There Paek argued that Korea [uri kukch'e] >>must become a subject [chuch'e] of the new Japanese economic control and >>therefore help the Japanese people [ilbon kungmin] fulfill the Emperor's >>policy on the creation of the country's invincible might [kUmgu mugyOl]. >> > >> > We can see that in this piece the word "chuch'e" was used in its >>original meaning -- "subject" -- albeit a little bit broadened by the >>fascism-tilting author. >> > >> > This lecture was given at the Keijo Daiwa Hall, the usual venue for >>"patriotic" events held in the Japanese-occupied Seoul.[1] Paek also >>argued for successful creation of the Japan-Manchuria-China bloc in East >>Asia as was suggested by the "Eight Corners under One Roof" [hakko >>ichiu] motto. He also compared the merits of Japanese economic system >>(which he unequivocally called "our national economy") with that of >>Germany and Italy. Paek claimed that, from the moral point of view, the >>Japanese economic model, based on the Imperial system, was far more >>advanced than those implemented by some "prominent leaders" in >>Europe.[2] Despite the timid criticism of over-regulation and rising >>prices, Paek called upon his countrymen to mobilize all national >>resources and prepare themselves for the extremes of wartime economy. >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > [1] Paek Nam-un, 'Tosei Keizai-no Rinrisei' [The Morality of Regulated >>Economy], Toyo-no Hikari, (June 1942), No. 4-6. >> > >> > [2] Paek Nam-un, 'T'ongje KyOngje-Ui YullisOng' [The Morality of >>Regulated Economy], Ha Il-sik, trans., Hwip'yOn. Paek Nam-un ChOnjip 4., >>Seoul: Iron-gwa Silch'On, 1991, pp.282-284. >> > >> > With best regards, >> > >> > LEONID A. PETROV >> > Division of Pacific and Asian History >> > Research School of Pacific and Asian Studies >> > The Australian National University >> > **************************************** >> > Mob: +61-403076604 >> > Tel: +61(2) 6125 3172 (office) >> > Fax: +61(2) 6125 5525 (office) >> > E-mail: petrov@coombs.anu.edu.au >> > WWW: http://north-korea.narod.ru >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ruediger Frank" >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:03 PM >> > Subject: [KS] Chuch'e >> > >> > >> > > Dear list, >> > > >> > > I am currently writing an article on the political system of North >>Korea >> > > for a German university textbook. Needless to say that in the course >>of >> > > this work I have to deal with the term Chuch'e. >> > > >> > > As far as I remember having heard, a philosophical term called >>Shutaisei >> > > (Chuch'esOng) has already been used by the Japanese in the 1920s, >>long >> > > before Kim Il-sOng introduced Chuch'e in his speech to the >>propagandists of >> > > the Nodongdang on December 28, 1955. Is that correct? And if yes, in >>which >> > > context has it been used before? >> > > >> > > Thanks a lot for your help. >> > > >> > > Best regards, >> > > >> > > Ruediger Frank >> > > *********************** >> > > Ruediger FRANK >> > > Humboldt-University Berlin >> > > Korea Institute >> > > Fon: +49-30-55 99 878 >> > > Fax: +49-30-2093-6666 >> > > e-mail: ruediger.frank@rz.hu-berlin.de >> > > Web: http://www2.hu-berlin.de/korea >> > > *********************** >> > > >> > > > >Yong-ho Choe >Department of History >University of Hawaii at Manoa >Honolulu, HI 96822 > >Tel: 808 956-6762 >Fax: 808 956-9600 >E-mail: choeyh@hawaii.edu --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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