Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:41:18 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #75 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: RE: Belts (Ray Terry) 4. Re: emboridered belts (Robert Martin) 5. Hankido techniques (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 6. Re: Belt errors (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 7. RE: Hankido technique names (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 8. RE: Mispelled Belt (Prince Loeffler) 9. GM Myong's hankumdo (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 10. KMA FAQ (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:08:28 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Embroidered names Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Message: 9 > From: "Bobbea Garrett" > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:48:30 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] emboridered belts > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I just received my black belt and my name is not spelled correctly. Do > most > of your schools put the students name on with embroidery? I was so upset I > > cried, and I am not one to cry over a material possession. After all the > many hours spent training, helping trian lower belts in clinics, > competeting > in tornaments and helping with testing in my school, along with the > sweating > and bruising, I just want the belt to be right. I have been assured that > it > will be corrected but I was just wondering how often this happens? If you > embroider your students belts, how do you handle errors? > Thank you. > > My Cho-Dan belt had my name misspelled, although previous and laters belts have been correct. I decided it was no big deal and took it as practice in accepting things that aren't perfect. As an engineer I tend to be overly fond of precision so a little "letting go" doesn't hurt me any, besides, my name is regularly butchered. I've seen this a number of times in our school, and most people take it with a smile, although a couple of us once had to persuade a friend that rushing in and demanding a new belt from our GM wasn't the most respectful approach to solving the problem. For those that want corrections they seem to be handled forthrightly. Kerry WTF TKD --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:20:59 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Your instructor should have never given you a belt with your name spelled > incorrectly. That makes it look like he/she is giving out belts without > putting any care behind it. Does your school have so many Black Belts > that > the instructor does not know you well enough to get the name right when > he/she submits the order for it to be made? > You have every right to be upset. That looks bad on the instructor who > does > this. > James Morgan, Head Instructor > Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy > Lewisburg, WV > Hey, they're human too! And sometimes English is not their first language. If I held that opinion about our GM I would be ignoring the tremendous amount of time and effort he spends supporting his students and the community. A mistake like this is certainly meaningful to the recipient of the belt, but it truly is small in the scheme of things. A person is more accurately measured not by the mistakes they make, but how they learn from them and correct them. Kerry --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Belts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:16:08 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hey, they're human too! And sometimes English is not their first language. I gotta go with Kerry on this one. I've been with this one Korean instructor here in California since I moved here ~20 years ago. To this day I am still "Teddy" or "Master Teddy" to him. And in more than just how he says it, I will sometimes still have to correct him when he writes it. At least he has learned to have me check things before he sends it out. Gm Ji would often write your name w/magic marker in hangul on the lapel of your dobok. I briefly thought it was a nice gesture, then we realized that all us anglos probably just looked alike to him. :) You can't let it get you down. Best to just laugh off these things. After all, things could be much worse, you could look like Master West!!! :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:29:10 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: emboridered belts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been lucky enough never have had a misspelled belt. If it were to ever occur, I would have it replaced as quickly as possible. The black belt is the outward sign of ones physical and mental achievement. If it is the norm for your school to embroider them, then it should be done correctly. Mistakes happen. I would point out the error and ask what can be done. Congratulations on your achievement. Robert Martin > Message: 9 > From: "Bobbea Garrett" > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:48:30 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] emboridered belts > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I just received my black belt and my name is not spelled correctly. Do most > of your schools put the students name on with embroidery? I was so upset I > cried, and I am not one to cry over a material possession. After all the > many hours spent training, helping trian lower belts in clinics, competeting > in tornaments and helping with testing in my school, along with the sweating > and bruising, I just want the belt to be right. I have been assured that it > will be corrected but I was just wondering how often this happens? If you > embroider your students belts, how do you handle errors? > Thank you. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Hankido techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is a generic list of the hankido technique names: joint method strike method cross method inside and outside method armhole method winding throat method breaking of the neck method shoulder throw method middle arm throw method rotary throw method wrist method cut arm method Some schools/instructors might use numbers intead or call them by another name but this should give you a basic understanding of the technique names. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:16:21 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Belt errors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 2/12/2002 11:33:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I just want the belt to be right. I have been assured that it > will be corrected but I was just wondering how often this happens? If you > embroider your students belts, how do you handle errors? The black belts for all of our schools are ordered through our headquarters, by someone who doesn't know everyone personally. If mistakes are made on the embroidery, the student can ask for a corrected belt. My last black belt (personalized) was way too big and hit me in the face when I kicked. I mentioned to a fellow BB that I was going to order the correct size and he was a bit taken aback saying, "Don't you want the one GM tied on you?!" I replied, "I know that GM tied my belt on himself." To me that meant he awarded my rank, rather than the belt itself being of primary importance. I reordered and wear the second one, the original being packed away. Another BB chose to alter her original belt for size, rather than replace it. I guess the belt itself was important to her. Others put away their wider, personalized belt and wear a plain, thinner BB for training in. Go ahead and order a corrected belt. Meanwhile, remember that the knowledge you have obtained is the most important. Also, people (even instructors and Masters!) are human and mistakes happen. It sounds as if they are very willing to correct the situation for you, so try not to take it personally. Congratulations on your new rank! May you have many happy years of training. Sharon --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Hankido technique names Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Some other schools might use these terms as well for hankido techniques: joint technique striking technique arm bar technique inside/outside technique arm-pit technique neck technique hi/low technique shoulder technique bicep technique circle technique forearm technique arm twisting technique ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Prince Loeffler" To: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:23:39 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Mispelled Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cherished it ! My first Dan belt was mispelled as well. I showed it to my instructor and we both laugh. He asked me to return it and he would take care of it. I said no ! I will keep it. There is was too much stuff or drama attached to belts and ranks, when mistakes happens, as always it is not intentional. I revere my instructor not because of his ability as a martial artist, rather than his ability to be a decent and compasionate human being. It having a correct spelling on your belt would improve your abilty as a martial artist..Oh well so be it ! Prince Loeffler " Actual Spelling" Prince Leofler "Belt spelling" --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Myong's hankumdo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For those that are interested in hankido, GM Myong also developed a sword art called hankumdo. Hankumdo is a sword art based on the shapes of the Korean alphabet or Han’gul. Developed by the late grandmaster Myong Jae Nam, Hankumdo techniques can be divided into two parts, striking techniques and defensive techniques. Using the five basic striking techniques it is possible to write the entire Korean alphabet of 24 different characters. Each character consists of one or more of these five basic techniques. One who is familiar with the Korean written language can learn the basics of hankumdo very quickly. The defensive techniques of hankumdo are based on the principles of hankido. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:02:41 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] KMA FAQ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I guess it is time to add new material to the KMA FAQ, Korean Martial Arts Frequently Asked Questions. http://martialartsresource.com/anonftp/pub/the_dojang/digests/koreanma.htm Please submit what you'd like to see added/updated, esp new systems or styles. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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