Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:05:44 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #76 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<--------------- The_Dojang mailing list --------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Application of power in Hapkido (Patrick L) 2. RE: Embroidered names (Mr. Klingler) 3. Ditch Medicine in Burlington, MA (Meghan Gardner) 4. Pak Vic list (Ken McDonough) 5. Re: Thanks, Gary (Bruce Sims) 6. Re: Book Review???? (Bruce Sims) 7. hapkido power usage (Brian Beach) 8. Re: Ditch Medicine in Burlington, MA (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:18:28 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Application of power in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Beach, I think your point on using power in Hapkido is well taken. And I appreciated your clarification to those who might have come to the improper conclusion that Hapkidoists rely on strength. Even though we do not consider Hapkido to be a strength art, perhaps when comparing it to Hankido or Aikido a person might describe the difference that simply (even if inaccurately). One point I would like to clarify, taking/breaking your opponents balance is important in all the throwing arts. How big the motion is to break the balance may indeed be a telling difference between throwing arts. Getting in the WAY Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mr. Klingler" To: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:05:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Embroidered names Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net -----Original Message----- > I just received my black belt and my name is not spelled correctly. Do > most > of your schools put the students name on with embroidery? I was so upset I > > cried, and I am not one to cry over a material possession. After all the > many hours spent training, helping trian lower belts in clinics, > competeting > in tornaments and helping with testing in my school, along with the > sweating > and bruising, I just want the belt to be right. I have been assured that > it > will be corrected but I was just wondering how often this happens? If you > embroider your students belts, how do you handle errors? > Thank you. When I received me second-degree belt, my master instructor's name was misspelled. I had to have the work done for both first and second degree, but I guess it can go both ways. I just told the people to get it right and they did. Next time my master will do it and hopefully get it right. Just a thought, Regards, jk --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Meghan Gardner" To: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:02:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ditch Medicine in Burlington, MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Registration closes for this event on Monday, Feb 18th: Ditch Medicine! Sunday, February 24th, 2002 from 9AM-5PM at Guard Up! of Burlington, MA. Learn emergency self-treatment of Gunshot & Edged Weapon Wounds with Bill Lewitt. Classroom as well as Practical sessions. Includes Care under Fire, Tactical Field Care, Casualty Evacuation Care and more. Family member/Officer down scenarios, basic anatomy, basic life support techniques are also covered. Bring your brain for this one... it could save your life or the life of someone you love. Registration is only $95/person ($120 after Feb. 10th) for 8 hours of emergency trauma training. We accept Visa and MC. Call Guard Up, Inc. at 781.270.4800 for more information and to register. Visit www.guardup.com for more upcoming events. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com Burlington, MA USA 781.270.4800 "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:53:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Pak Vic list Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yo: Send me info on the Pak Vic list. I am currently working with an Eskrima instructor who mentioned Pak Vic. This instructor has a good lineage and has worked with Jim Ingrams, Burton Richardson, GM Canete, Chris Santinille (sic), Dan Insanto (sic), Kelly Worden, Victor T... 5 months to retire. 24 years in military. Trip to Philippines in April... maybe... Bye, Ken McD... Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:12:04 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Thanks, Gary Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Gary: My most sincere thanks for taking time to answer my post. Had I known that you were a member I would have addressed you directly. Sorry about that. Do you mind if I take your post a bit further? Please bear in mind that DD members have been over this quite a few times and I will bet that most of my difficulty with this subject has to do with how the titles and nature of organizations translates into American culture from Korean. All the same, bear with me. I know there is a problem translating Korean names into English however I was able to find the following three individuals who would have been 1st or 2nd generation under Choi, Yong Sul. a.) Jong Hoe Song (1954) studied under GM Suh, Bok-sub and probably would have had opportunity to train with GM Choi. b.) Young Song (1962) who studied under GM Suh, In Hyuk and may have had some opportunity previous to that training to have studied with GM Choi. c.) Ju Hwe Song (1957) who would have studied under GM Ji during the Sang Moo kwan years but is recorded as starting his training in 1957 (prior to the start of the Sang Moo Kwan) and so may have had exposure to GM Choi. Are any of these folks the individual you mentioned? I have not been able to find anyone with the spelling you provided but look who your talking to! If my eyes were any rounder you could use them for dinner plates! :-) The greatest concern that I have as a researcher is that this individual would have actually started his kwan (1944) before GM Choi returned from Japan and began his public teaching. Now there are at least 8 other Koreans identified as having attained rank in Daito-ryu. Perhaps this person attained his status or rank in some other art, or through another DRAJJ practitioner and came to GM Choi as a kind of finishing school. I¡¯m just spit-balling now. Any help you could provide would be very much appreciated. What started this all off, Gary, was my curiousity about the organizations mentioned. When you mentioned the Korea Hapkido Association I want to be sure that you weren¡¯t talking about the KoreaN Hapkido Association (Han-kuk Hapkido Hyub Hoe) formed by Kim Moo-woong in 1971. I am assuming that you really meant to say the KoreA Hapkido Association which was started in 1973 by GM-s Ji, Kim and Myung, and is currently the Korean Hapkido Federation under the leadership of GM Oh, Se-lim. If what I am reading is correct, the person you are identifying is the technical advisor and chief instructor for the KHF under GM Oh, yes? If I am with you this far, then the next question is self-evident. Are both you and Richard representatives for the KHF in the US? If so, is there some way of knowing your respective areas of responsibilitiy? Are there one NHA or two? Or is your board of directors the NHA and Richards¡¯ the NHF? Please bear with me, Gary, but if someone comes along to identify themselves as an individual designated by a board of directors and representing both a national Hapkido body in the US as well as one of the ¡°big three¡± Korean organizations, it would truely help us to have this all straight. If it is of any help, perhaps I can open this line of reasoning to other folks who have had experience with the KHF/KHA. Alaine? Hal? Anybody? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:20:29 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Book Review???? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear David: "...As an owner of both Hapkido I and Hapkido II, I'd say the main differences are that HKD has the kicking section straight from Dojunim Ji's teachings; and HKD II has a better layout for the pictures. Save up and buy them both; they're worth it....." When we were having that discussion months back about why there was no organized curriculum for Hapkido, Dr. Kimms' book (HAPKIDO II) had not come into my hands. Although there is quite a bit of redundency between the two books, my take on comparing them side by side is that book one seems better in identifying individual techniques while book II seems better organized as an overview to a system. Absolutely one should buy them both as they certainly compliment each other. For what a person could pay for books nowadays you could spend a lot more on an assortment of titles and still not get the quantity/quality of Dr. Kimms' work. I wish to hell someone would build a fire under Dr Kimm, though. That up-coming book of his ought to be a doozey. Think I'll see it before I die? :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:10:44 -0500 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido power usage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> With proper technique (short answer) I have seen young women 5'2" ( 1.5748 m) 115 lbs. (52.1631 k) throw a 6'1" (1.8796 m) 230 lbs. (104.326 k) man easily. Her pelvis is the fulcrum over which his momentum and mass rotates over. He is unbalanced to front through punching or attempted grab - his momentum going forward she steps between him and his attempt to rebalance - lines her hips parallel to his at a lower level (lower center of gravity) - he cannot recover - over he goes. Brian Me and my craw - maybe I should take some antacid and let it go PS. what are the technical aspects the Hankido shoulder throw is it similar to the judo seoi-nage (http://www.judoinfo.com/images/nauta/seoinage.gif)? or is more a reversed and higher up Hankido middle arm throw (http://www.hapkido.bc.ca/image/photo/9.jpg) --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ditch Medicine in Burlington, MA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:30:36 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Ditch Medicine! Sunday, February 24th, 2002 from 9AM-5PM at Guard Up! of > Burlington, MA. Sounds like a great class. Wish I could be there... 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